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when is cho getting nerfs

Cannoli Virus··3 votes·1,200 views

i can't handle him in his current state, absolutely insane that a tank gets that much damage and don't get me started on the true damage

gonna start permabanning him le sigh

edit:

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Here are a few reasons I've given over the years.

  1. Passive gives insane health and mana sustain. Just as bad as Nasus except also gives mana
  2. Q has a 1:1 AP ratio. Insane levels of damage combined with a knock-up that's really not difficult to land
  3. 2.5 second silence in a cone around the size of Annie's W. You get zoned off your minions and can't ever fight Cho'Gath 1v1 in lane. You just take a ton of damage and have to deal with it.
  4. His autos hit you through the minion lane for magic damage. Upon buying Rylai's, Cho'Gath can also slow with his autos and it also slows anything past you as well with the spikes.
  5. 650 + 70% AP scaling true damage nuke that goes off instantly that grants lots of health. Need I say more?

https://embed.gyazo.com/bfe18d705442dd8ef15243e9b0ea93c1.png

http://puu.sh/gKE9I/97d5f057c9.jpg http://puu.sh/gKEaq/2a8d584d8e.jpg

So, I think he's OP because he's impossible to trade against (and if you do, he'll just heal it all back by CSing). He also has amazing poke and catch potential (he's a god-tier follow-up initiator too, especially built as AP) and his true damage ult can one-shot ADCs if he builds AP. If he builds brusier, he can end their lives with W+R.

He's also extremely easy to play.

There are others, but let me stress:

His Q is easy to land. His lack of mobility is not a crutch and is the only thing keeping him from being nigh one of the best champions in the entire game He can build almost full tank and still one-shot people

Just a good read for people interested in knowing about balance and such.

87 Comments

KVbqbFsC8e7 votes

Seems like a ChickenWrap parody.

Cannoli Virus2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zzqmVgXs,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-10-21T07:40:50.627+0000)

Seems like a ChickenWrap parody.

i had a chicken wrap for lunch today

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Cool, they can kill you once every 5 minutes. So what?

shorter with cdr boots and masteries plus crowd control exists these guys are high elo they got good communication and cc layering it's tough man

Astôlfo2 votes

Learn to dodge.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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Learn to dodge.

how do you dodge that insanely large Q and silence cmon man also can't dodge R

Astôlfo2 votes

By moving out of the way. And don't get in his ultimate range then. It's extremely, ridiculously short.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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By moving out of the way. And don't get in his ultimate range then. It's extremely, ridiculously short.

Right but these are high elo players, man they know where the f key is

Astôlfo2 votes

Cool, they can kill you once every 5 minutes. So what?

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Seriously even a fucking mordekaiser with 325 base ms lagging on 1000 pings should be able to dodge that shit

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Having gone up against a Mordekaiser in top lane as Cho, can confirm.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I'm assuming that the mordekaiser actually knows how to side step shit btw

Cannoli Virus2 votes

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Having gone up against a Mordekaiser in top lane as Cho, can confirm.

you haven't gone up against anybody recently IIRC

ChickenWrap2 votes

Don't forget the silence. and Q!

Break ChOP'Gath's kneecaps ty

VoidStaresBack2 votes

Says the person with a 31% ranked winrate with Cho'Gath over 16 games...

Cannoli Virus1 votes

you're throwing winrates in there but you only play custom games ecks dee i can't even find stats on you because you don't even play the game, and you claim to main cho? lol

VoidStaresBack1 votes

I don't play ranked, so no, you can't find ranked stats, and my internet is too shitty for me to actually enter into games with other players, that's why I haven't played in a couple months (so op.gg doesn't have any game stats on me).

ChickenWrap3 votes

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I don't play ranked, so no, you can't find ranked stats, and my internet is too shitty for me to actually enter into games with other players, that's why I haven't played in a couple months (so op.gg doesn't have any game stats on me).

You use ranked winrate as some sort of indicator of skill. I can't take myself seriously when I play Cho. I screw around and one-shot their adc until my team gets too cocktail and throwe, as is normal in Diamond. You, on the other hand, are arguing against this claim when you only play Custom games. That's a really bold thing to do.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Note what I said to the other person about recent internet issues, the fact that you two are both such broken records makes me wonder if you're not the same person.

ChickenWrap1 votes

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Note what I said to the other person about recent internet issues, the fact that you two are both such broken records makes me wonder if you're not the same person.

You still have zero ranked experience and currently only play Custom games. Regardless of what your excuse is, the fact of the matter remains. Plus, if you're a Cho main then you saying that he's fine is only a way to further push your agenda of getting him buffed. I'm on to you.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

I actually don't want Cho buffed and I'm looking forward to seeing what Riot does if/when they eventually give him a full VGU (he's not high-priority but I imagine they'll get around to it eventually). I provided actual statistics of Cho'Gath's winrates in all three main positions of his (Top, Mid, Jungle) up above, if you care to look at them and explain how he's OP when two of his winrates are sub-47.

ChickenWrap1 votes

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I actually don't want Cho buffed and I'm looking forward to seeing what Riot does if/when they eventually give him a full VGU (he's not high-priority but I imagine they'll get around to it eventually). I provided actual statistics of Cho'Gath's winrates in all three main positions of his (Top, Mid, Jungle) up above, if you care to look at them and explain how he's OP when two of his winrates are sub-47.

WIN. RATES. ARE. NOT. A. DIRECT. CORRELATION. OF. SKILL!!!!

Ryze's Win rate is 43%. He's broken as fuck. Get it together.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Ryze is also a high-skill-cap champion, which makes sense why his winrate is so low. Cho'Gath is not high-skill in the slightest (not to say he's "no skill", every champion requires skill, but he's not very mechanically difficult and his decision-making is fairly straightforward) and when a low-skill champion has a low winrate it does indicate the relative (low) power of the champion.

ChickenWrap2 votes

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Ryze is also a high-skill-cap champion, which makes sense why his winrate is so low. Cho'Gath is not high-skill in the slightest (not to say he's "no skill", every champion requires skill, but he's not very mechanically difficult and his decision-making is fairly straightforward) and when a low-skill champion has a low winrate it does indicate the relative (low) power of the champion.

You have a very weird definition of "low" win rate.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

45 and 46 are low winrates for a low-skill champion, the 50 isn't low but is also not Cho's main position (which is top with the 46.57%).

ChickenWrap2 votes

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45 and 46 are low winrates for a low-skill champion, the 50 isn't low but is also not Cho's main position (which is top with the 46.57%).

Please stop.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Since you have yet to actually approach the discussion in good faith, I shall. Have a nice day!

ChickenWrap1 votes

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Since you have yet to actually approach the discussion in good faith, I shall. Have a nice day!

You haven't presented reasonable arguments to say he's not OP. Just "I play Cho in Customs".

VoidStaresBack2 votes

Alright, how about this:

Beside the evidence provided by his winrates and the general relation of winrates and skillcaps, Cho'Gath has the single largest hitbox in the game come lategame, his abilities are incredibly laggy as compensation for their power and his Q in particular can be walked out of by nearly any champion who isn't CC'd, he's mana-hungry as all get-out, his first few levels are easily abusable, he's as kiteable as most juggernauts and has no innate gapclosers, and his e is pretty weak outside of laning phase, in no small part because it requires him to actually reach melee range. His ultimate is melee range and should his full rotation not kill its target he has to spend several seconds basically useless, and his burst still isn't nearly as strong as many burst mages who sometimes find themselves in the same "useless for several seconds" boat.

Now perhaps you could give an explanation of why Cho'Gath is OP?

(Also, you're arguing in really bad faith with your continued harping on the custom games thing, but if you really want proof that I play Cho outside of customs, here's one, and here's two)

ChickenWrap1 votes

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Alright, how about this:

Beside the evidence provided by his winrates and the general relation of winrates and skillcaps, Cho'Gath has the single largest hitbox in the game come lategame, his abilities are incredibly laggy as compensation for their power and his Q in particular can be walked out of by nearly any champion who isn't CC'd, he's mana-hungry as all get-out, his first few levels are easily abusable, he's as kiteable as most juggernauts and has no innate gapclosers, and his e is pretty weak outside of laning phase, in no small part because it requires him to actually reach melee range. His ultimate is melee range and should his full rotation not kill its target he has to spend several seconds basically useless, and his burst still isn't nearly as strong as many burst mages who sometimes find themselves in the same "useless for several seconds" boat.

Now perhaps you could give an explanation of why Cho'Gath is OP?

(Also, you're arguing in really bad faith with your continued harping on the custom games thing, but if you really want proof that I play Cho outside of customs, here's one, and here's two)

Here are a few reasons I've given over the years.

  1. Passive gives insane health and mana sustain. Just as bad as Nasus except also gives mana
  2. Q has a 1:1 AP ratio. Insane levels of damage combined with a knock-up that's really not difficult to land
  3. 2.5 second silence in a cone around the size of Annie's W. You get zoned off your minions and can't ever fight Cho'Gath 1v1 in lane. You just take a ton of damage and have to deal with it.
  4. His autos hit you through the minion lane for magic damage. Upon buying Rylai's, Cho'Gath can also slow with his autos and it also slows anything past you as well with the spikes.
  5. 650 + 70% AP scaling true damage nuke that goes off instantly that grants lots of health. Need I say more?

https://embed.gyazo.com/bfe18d705442dd8ef15243e9b0ea93c1.png

http://puu.sh/gKE9I/97d5f057c9.jpg http://puu.sh/gKEaq/2a8d584d8e.jpg

So, I think he's OP because he's impossible to trade against (and if you do, he'll just heal it all back by CSing). He also has amazing poke and catch potential (he's a god-tier follow-up initiator too, especially built as AP) and his true damage ult can one-shot ADCs if he builds AP. If he builds brusier, he can end their lives with W+R.

He's also extremely easy to play.

There are others, but let me stress:

His Q is easy to land. His lack of mobility is not a crutch and is the only thing keeping him from being nigh one of the best champions in the entire game He can build almost full tank and still one-shot people

Cannoli Virus1 votes

what's with the downvotes guys seriously we need to get rid of chOP'gath I bet I could play 20 games with him right now and win them all

ofart1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sheep Shearer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zzqmVgXs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-21T07:24:11.844+0000)

what's with the downvotes guys seriously we need to get rid of chOP'gath I bet I could play 20 games with him right now and win them all

do it. he's not OP.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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do it. he's not OP.

he's extremely overpowered look at the Evidence!!!!

VoidStaresBack3 votes

Well if you want to play the evidence game... 46.57% winrate top lane and 45.49% winrate jungle. His highest winrate is 50.68% (That is to say, right around average) in the mid lane.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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Well if you want to play the evidence game... 46.57% winrate top lane and 45.49% winrate jungle. His highest winrate is 50.68% (That is to say, right around average) in the mid lane.

Doctored! Also those are trash first-timers playing him and dropping his winrate! Anecdotal evidence does not equate to actual fact of a champions power level!

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Doctored? I linked you the actual champion statistics from an aggregating site, how is that "doctored"?

Edit: Damn it you edited after I responded, ah well. More than 50% of the games played on Cho'Gath are by those with more than 15 games on him, and I'm going to be blunt here, Cho is not a hard champion to learn, it's not "trash first timers dragging down his win rate". There are a ton of stats aggregated there, if you can be bothered to look at them.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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Doctored? I linked you the actual champion statistics from an aggregating site, how is that "doctored"?

That site does not accurately represent the whole of the League community! I don't know who makes those statistics! You know, 72% of statistics are made up! You never know!

VoidStaresBack1 votes

You say that, but it's an aggregation of winrate statistics from plat+ ranked games (aka the point where individual champions strengths start to be used to their fullest extent). Also, I edited my post in response to an edit you made, might want to read that as well.

The fact that your response to actual facts is to immediately accuse those statistics of falsification says a lot about the weakness of your argument, especially when you have no evidence or actual reason to believe falsification when these statistics are coming from one of the bigger league stat aggregating websites.

Cannoli Virus1 votes

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Doctored? I linked you the actual champion statistics from an aggregating site, how is that "doctored"?

Edit: Damn it you edited after I responded, ah well. More than 50% of the games played on Cho'Gath are by those with more than 15 games on him, and I'm going to be blunt here, Cho is not a hard champion to learn, it's not "trash first timers dragging down his win rate". There are a ton of stats aggregated there, if you can be bothered to look at them.

Cho'Gath is an incredibly mechanically complex champion! He is not "easy to learn"! Very hard to master! You've never seen a good ChOP'gath, have you? You've never felt the ChOP'wrath, have you? I bet you've never even played against a Cho'Gath!

VoidStaresBack1 votes

As a point of fact, Cho'Gath is my main in both top and mid lane, and he is incredibly situationally powerful. He absolutely destroys certain matchups because of his kit, but against highly mobile champions and champions who can abuse his weak early game he gets annihilated and never gets to ramp up into his raid boss state.

Also, no, he's really, really not that mechanically complicated, the primary skill of his is lining up his e properly, knowing when to turn his e on and off, and landing skillshots which is a general skill.

RageQ21 votes

It's called high mobility champs, kiting and mr. I've tried chogath. His AP build are insane dmg, but one or two people build some mr and poof, useless other than tanking. Also people who can kite which should be a lot, can easily kill him. His Q isn't that hard to dodge, act unpredictable his W doesn't even do much it's more just playing save if your immobile and mostly about outplaying him. Players with more experience and or, some skill will be able to outplay a chogath. Coming from a S5 chogath jg main.

Cannoli Virus2 votes

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It's called high mobility champs, kiting and mr. I've tried chogath. His AP build are insane dmg, but one or two people build some mr and poof, useless other than tanking. Also people who can kite which should be a lot, can easily kill him. His Q isn't that hard to dodge, act unpredictable his W doesn't even do much it's more just playing save if your immobile and mostly about outplaying him. Players with more experience and or, some skill will be able to outplay a chogath. Coming from a S5 chogath jg main.

Nah son, I have 3 years experience and this guy really is just tough to deal with man also if you go AP build you really don't know chOP'gath it's all about that protobelt

RageQ21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sheep Shearer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zzqmVgXs,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-10-21T08:16:04.914+0000)

Nah son, I have 3 years experience and this guy really is just tough to deal with man also if you go AP build you really don't know chOP'gath it's all about that protobelt

Bruh, you don't think I tried AP cho? He's super kite-able and easy to predict. He has the biggest counter playability out of every champ. Hex drinker and boom his ult becomes useless. Cc? No more combos for cho. If anything a full AP cho Garth will be killed through out playing. Protobelt is useless if you stick your distance and out play.

Cannoli Virus6 votes

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Hex drinker and boom his ult becomes useless.

a r e y o u h i g h h i s u l t i s t r u e d a m a g e

Akali is SO HOT7 votes

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Hex drinker and boom his ult becomes useless.

lul

Endogenic9 votes

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Hex drinker and boom his ult becomes useless.

...

Please tell me you're just joking and you aren't actually serious, because that would be extremely sad if you were.

Given your previous posting history however, it unfortunately appears to be that you aren't kidding and you really do believe what you say.

*sigh*

RageQ21 votes

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...

Please tell me you're just joking and you aren't actually serious, because that would be extremely sad if you were.

Given your previous posting history however, it unfortunately appears to be that you aren't kidding and you really do believe what you say.

*sigh*

I kinda worded that wrong, but I meant as in getting people down to an ult-able state, I've added mr pen and it still wont help that much.

Cannoli Virus3 votes

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I kinda worded that wrong, but I meant as in getting people down to an ult-able state, I've added mr pen and it still wont help that much.

"worded it wrong" as in "i had no idea what i was talking about and, after being ridiculed by many people, have done some research and am now changing my answer"

RageQ21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sheep Shearer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zzqmVgXs,comment-id=000700000000000200010000,timestamp=2016-10-23T14:42:26.944+0000)

"worded it wrong" as in "i had no idea what i was talking about and, after being ridiculed by many people, have done some research and am now changing my answer"

All I did was just vaguely state the hexdrinkers effects versing a cho'gath. It was my fault for not going into detail, but hexdrinker does stop a lot of cho's dmg, and for only 1300 g its a good counter item to him if he goes full ap. Also any tank as well can stop a cho'gath.

Cannoli Virus2 votes

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All I did was just vaguely state the hexdrinkers effects versing a cho'gath. It was my fault for not going into detail, but hexdrinker does stop a lot of cho's dmg, and for only 1300 g its a good counter item to him if he goes full ap. Also any tank as well can stop a cho'gath.

nah im pretty sure you thought hexdrinker blocks cho ult

Farranor1 votes

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Bruh, you don't think I tried AP cho? He's super kite-able and easy to predict. He has the biggest counter playability out of every champ. Hex drinker and boom his ult becomes useless. Cc? No more combos for cho. If anything a full AP cho Garth will be killed through out playing. Protobelt is useless if you stick your distance and out play.

 

cho Garth

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RageQ21 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/wZLIxog.png[/img]

Stupid phone :P

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