Katarina needs buffs

Devil Demoko·May 20, 2018·5 votes·3,707 views

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Katarina is suppose to me a very strong mid game assassin, but she's still suppose to scale in how her damage is. Even at her strongest stage she's only at a pitiful 51% winrate at 0-25 minutes, after then it drops a little bit to 49%, but after that it drop to 41%....this is way too low, and I know people hate katarina but this shows how she's in a really bad spot right now, buffing her midlate game would be nice.

25 Comments

BalonOct 21, 20183 votes

Katarina really need a buff, the last nerf put katarina in 45% winrate. I dont understand this nerf when leblanc is more boosted. I was main kata but the game isnt fun now. All skilled champ are nerf and garen Darius and no skillshoot champ are always up... pls lol was a skilled game, stop try to destroy the game and put all clic r champ in god tier...

Devil DemokoOct 23, 20181 votes

yea I feel like they're always buffing strong champs with on clicks... It's insane to me how someone can play kassadin and one shot teams mid game and be a "scaling assassin"

Infinite SaughtMay 20, 20182 votes

Don't bother putting this here; most people here don't know how Katarina works and will "REEEE" at the slightest mention of wanting kata buffs.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

Yea I can see that most people are like that but she is in need of some late game buffs.

UltraZedMay 20, 20181 votes

I mean kat is still broken just because win rate low ain't mean trash champ she can do a lot of damage as soon as she gets hextech gunblade she can almost beat anyone in the laning phase unless you are ahead or be like zed and have an untargettable ult that does damage then she is broken

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

Zed is busted atm, but I know she has a good laning phase, which is what I said. What I also said is she needs buffs later on into the game, she's a scaling assassin but her late game is terrible, and even her mid-game is poor.

UltraZedMay 20, 20183 votes

Zed honestly isnt busted at all lol get 1 item and you can put him at bay forever

UltraZedMay 20, 20181 votes

a scaling assasin with a poor late game...

VoraciousXMay 20, 20181 votes

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Zed honestly isnt busted at all lol get 1 item and you can put him at bay forever

Maybe it isn't Zed honestly, it's just Electrocute working with lethality that makes him over the top the moment he gets any kind of lethality. He's still extremely strong and can take over a game.

As for Katarina she's far from ideal. She's at around a 48.5% win rate right now in Korea being the 19th best mid laner. Zed is the 8th. NA is totally different to where she's a bit up from Zed with a 51.5% win rate with Zed at a 50.90%. Kat being ranked 5 and Zed being ranked 9th(according to Lolalytics, which I don't normally use. I use op.gg for everything but it only uses Korea data). Either NA is really bad at playing against Katarina, or NA has better Katarina's than Korea. I'm going to opt for the first option.

UltraZedMay 20, 20181 votes

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Maybe it isn't Zed honestly, it's just Electrocute working with lethality that makes him over the top the moment he gets any kind of lethality. He's still extremely strong and can take over a game.

As for Katarina she's far from ideal. She's at around a 48.5% win rate right now in Korea being the 19th best mid laner. Zed is the 8th. NA is totally different to where she's a bit up from Zed with a 51.5% win rate with Zed at a 50.90%. Kat being ranked 5 and Zed being ranked 9th(according to Lolalytics, which I don't normally use. I use op.gg for everything but it only uses Korea data). Either NA is really bad at playing against Katarina, or NA has better Katarina's than Korea. I'm going to opt for the first option.

No lethality isn't that busted kat can just go against zed with a stopwatch and if he ult her she can use it and e to an ally minion and nullify any damage if she resets then she can go in on Zed because he has no shadows to use and kat would win

VoraciousXMay 20, 20181 votes

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No lethality isn't that busted kat can just go against zed with a stopwatch and if he ult her she can use it and e to an ally minion and nullify any damage if she resets then she can go in on Zed because he has no shadows to use and kat would win

It's nothing about Kat winning vs Zed or not. I make all Zed's cry by building Dark Harvest/lich bane Kat and killing them with unavoidable damage(enhanced auto attacks)and being able to build somewhat bruiserlike so that they can't ult out of my ult and still expect to live. The thing is, Zed with electrocute means his 200+ electrocute damage is ALSO going to ignore armor. That's why he does too much damage. Once he gets a serrated dirk, he just rips you a new one by trying to combo you until he finally hits that one combo, then ults and you die. It's frustrating, and it's exactly why I started going Dark Harvest, so I didn't actually have to waste money on a stopwatch and delay my build further while he just keeps getting stronger with his money. Zhonya's is nothing to Zed's damage(due to lethality in part), which makes it pretty lackluster as a buy for immobile mages vs him. He's gonna kill an immobile mage, it's just a matter of when. The answer to when is usually after he buys a serrated dirk or if not by then, when he finishes duskblade.

UltraZedMay 20, 20181 votes

Dark Harvest while talking about Electrocute... Electrocute is ADAPTIVE DAMAGE tanks can nullify it with armour or lich bane with Magic Resist. Lethality won't matter to a Rammus with at least 150 armour or a Sion so basically your point is useless, Stop Watch keeps Zed at bay because when he engages, you can always press the button and his ult and other damage is useless since he just went in with w he can't flash out and kill you with w. Early game the golden time to get a Duskblade is 6 - 7:50 minutes because you would have your inspiration stopwatch so basically Zed would have an insanely hard time to get it in the time to kill you with W E Q W R AA E Q.

VoraciousXMay 20, 20181 votes

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Dark Harvest while talking about Electrocute... Electrocute is ADAPTIVE DAMAGE tanks can nullify it with armour or lich bane with Magic Resist. Lethality won't matter to a Rammus with at least 150 armour or a Sion so basically your point is useless, Stop Watch keeps Zed at bay because when he engages, you can always press the button and his ult and other damage is useless since he just went in with w he can't flash out and kill you with w. Early game the golden time to get a Duskblade is 6 - 7:50 minutes because you would have your inspiration stopwatch so basically Zed would have an insanely hard time to get it in the time to kill you with W E Q W R AA E Q.

Exactly, adaptive damage. This means that electrocute for AD assassins will be physical damage, meaning lethality will increase it's damage even more. Yeah Lethality won't matter to a ramus with 150 armor. We're talking about laning vs him, and no one's gonna take Rammus mid.

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Yea I can see that most people are like that but she is in need of some late game buffs.

Dunno how it works in ranked(I don't play ranked because it's not fun) but that's why I've been taking Dark Harvest and going lich bane with minion dematerializer(to determine when I get the dark harvest proc and surprise my enemies). You can do a lot more late game with Dark Harvest than you can with Electrocute, and when I started getting good at using it, I actually feel better using it than the standard build because I'm allowed to build tankier. So far I've gotten 2 pentas out of it.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

lol well I feel like we're not bad at playing kat, but I wouldn't mind seeing how they build kat with runes and etc. looking at how she's suppose to scale with AP she isn't quite doing that the moment, and even when she's suppose to be good (pre 25 minutes) she isn't doing as great with a 51% winrate

VoraciousXMay 20, 20181 votes

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lol well I feel like we're not bad at playing kat, but I wouldn't mind seeing how they build kat with runes and etc. looking at how she's suppose to scale with AP she isn't quite doing that the moment, and even when she's suppose to be good (pre 25 minutes) she isn't doing as great with a 51% winrate

NA's builds are pretty similar to Korea's actually. Pretty much everything is built the same. I build her different than everyone, but it works for me. I like to build her with electrocute occasionally though, but when I do I build Morellonomicon first.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

that isn't quite true actually... Zed with duskblade can one shot anyone.... it's rare for him to 100-0 you unless you hit all 3 q's but he still does a lot of damage, and still does have a lot of presence and pressure.

Infinite SaughtMay 20, 20181 votes

All I hear from this is that you don't know how to deal with Kata.

Its All SkillzzMay 20, 20181 votes

yea katarina is fucking broken you are high as fuck if you think she needs buffs.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

you clearly don't read. I said she needs buff for later on into the game. she has a 40% win rate at 30 minutes. Even pantheon has a 47% winrate at that time and that's getting into late game. she's suppose to be a scaling assassin, which is what I'm talking about.

Alex h8721May 20, 20181 votes

What you've gotta realize from those stats is that katarina is a pretty high skillcap champ, and those stats are definitely gonna be brought down fairly significantly by non-mains playing her, i'd be curious to see the stats for ppl w/ 100+ games on kat.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20182 votes

Well I have 250 games on her, plat 5 with a 56% win rate. I can tell when she's good and when she's bad. I was fed on her and still couldn't one shot the support. It felt pretty bad man, meanwhile zed could 3v1 and that's strange because katarina is suppose to be the team fighter. She is a high skillcap hero and I feel like I should be able to do more on her.

Emerald FangMay 20, 20181 votes

Kat is only weak because of the tank meta and how even one or two heavy-CC top lanes/junglers/supports immediately shuts her down.

Devil DemokoMay 20, 20181 votes

She's still a tank melter, but yea you are right about the cc part, it is pretty annoying but you mostly have to choose when to go in. I feel like if you're good at her you can play around it but most of the time her late game and even her mid game is still weak for how she should be.