could we get mana regen on chalice back, please?

bad arcade kitty·Nov 12, 2016·34 votes·1,098 views

it used to be a useful item on some supports like, say, sona, now it's a pure trash which nobody ever buys

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SaiannaNov 12, 20168 votes

now it's a pure trash which nobody ever buys

That's what Riot wanted.

Weasel KenseiNov 12, 20164 votes

I dont find the item 3028 that bad, though the problem is that there are other ways to get decent mana regen on supports than Chalice that dont take the 800 gold investment... so it tends to not get bought unless youre going for item 3174 .

Chalice gives 25 MR, and 50% mana regen and health regen % equle to your % mana regen. Its actualy a decent sustain item in its own right because of this.

Certain supports do well with item 3174 Lux Karma Lulu Janna and even Bard situationally.

Lux, Karma, Lulu all have shielding that can turn their poke into heals, Bard shrines can have their healing enhanced by it for his poke. Raka heals so hard that the extra healing is nearly overkill. Sona is probably better off building AP for damage in many cases, though she can function with it too based on play style.

So I find the item 3028 a decent stepping stone item to item 3174 . It does give mana regen, though not the "free never run oom" regen of the original. I personaly dont think its trash, and was tailored to serve the needs of a few supports.

I run Mana and HP regen runes for most of my supports, focusing on sustain. With Meditation Recovery/Runic Armor masteries, this further increases my HP/mana sustain. Chalice is a natural extension of this. When I need even more sustain than I have built for, I pick up a Chalice instead of a item 3165 . The old Chalice isnt coming back, but the one we have isnt "trash."

It Hertz When IPNov 12, 20163 votes

I use Athene's on Sona mostly because the charge limit means that anyone with spammy heals can make the most of it. Since Sona pokes a lot in lane and fires off Q's nonstop in team fights, she gets a lot of mileage out of it.

Though TBH I play Sona more for her healing role and less for damage. (heresy!)

RyuyahNov 12, 20163 votes

I still build it on Sona; It also still has its 50% base mana regen

ps. go censor first

SanKakUNov 12, 20161 votes

I used to buy it on Veigar every game. I haven't played him since the assassin update, not sure what to buy now. So many changes.

I was a big fan of buying Crucible on pretty much every champion...whether Chalice was good on them or not. For a lot of mages, it was. Now I am having trouble coming up with a single champion that likes the new Chalice. There's so much burst in this game...I find it very hard to appreciate health regeneration unless you have a lot of health. I guess this change can benefit Singed and Kassadin...so is Riot trying to promote Singed and Kassadin for the support slot?

Well, it might be okay on Galio...you'd be tempted to buy it on Rammus I guess for example...but why get mana regeneration when you could get IBG instead? Unless we have more MR tanks...IOW tank update...I don't see people going for this very often on tanks or it being very helpful to them.