PSA: What a Support is

EvilRabbitt··3 votes·1,236 views

Support In League is: The player assisting ADC through early game so that they can farm safely and become relevant from mid to late game.

Meaning- While "normal" supports (braum/nami/lulu/leona) are acceptable, they are not IT. Ideally, you actually want a hyper carry or an assassin as a support. "Support" harasses the enemy adc and denies them farm and delays their relevance if not staving it off entirely. Oh, still figuring out that assassin part?

Assassin: The champion type that thrives off of kill pressure and having lane bait.

Your ADC farms, you beat the other one up. So easy, so simple. Mages have already moved down to support (brand/vel/malz/lux), assassins are coming. Eventually bruisers. The meta is changing, straight supports stopped working when wards were limited to 4 a person (3 green, 1 pink). They were practically asking to be obsolete when dragon granted buffs instead of money. Supports were meant to STALL so your team could grab dragon safely and get worldwide $$$. Now it gives buffs, so you want serious powerhouses. But the meta is for another thread that I may or may not post.

tl;dr: Demanding your support to build a sightstone is pretty odd, especially since on 250g they get one via trinket. Demanding your support to not be someone who can protect you by killing for you is also counter productive- you don't need kills, you need cs.

Have a wonderful day, thanks for reading. Thoughts/questions down below, feel free for either.

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rumples4 votes

so basically you want to be that guy that takes a gold dependant champ bot, never wards, and goes crazy ham because you have to get kills to be relevant

EvilRabbitt1 votes

No. I wanna be the person who scares the bajeezus outta the enemy bot lane, denies jungler and so shuts down 3 players out of gold income (jungler some) by pulling an early game powerhouse into a late game defined zone. And I always ward. Doesn't matter what position, I ward.

It Hertz When IP4 votes

Um... no... just no. Sightstone enables me to grab a item 3362 or item 3364, either of which are enormously helpful throughout the game (I prefer the yellow myself). Are the stats on it crap? Definitely. But taking up a trinket slot that can go to dedicated enemy ward detection or continuous pink wards just to avoid shelling out 800 gold makes very little sense.

Having an assassin as a support is so situation-dependent, I would label it as flat out dumb in solo-Q. The support has two jobs in life during the laning phase: keep their ADC alive Nami Braum Sona Janna and hold enemy champions down so the ADC can (somewhat) safely beat the living tar out of them Blitzcrank Taric Thresh Leona. The ideal arrangement in lane is to have the ADC get the kills AND the CS; gold items literally exist to make up for the difference, not perfectly but to an extent. Why do you think all three of the main gold items have final builds that don't (with the slight exception of FoTM) require stats to be used? Because the designers assumed their end users wouldn't have very good stats. A good support focuses on utility over stats: yeah, Blitcrank's and Thresh's Qs scale off of AP. Does this matter? not really. Because their Qs are not meant to be used as damaging attacks, they're intended for CC.

Having said that, I concede that some supports have decent poke abilities Morgana Soraka Zilean; these champs are likely why item 3303 is a thing. Most assuredly if you are playing those guys you want to poke whenever you are free to. But don't obsess about it.

If I had to pick the number one characteristic of a good support, it would be this: someone who is not item or stat dependent. Yeah, there's a few exceptions (Taric, I'm looking at you). And yeah, if the support gets a kill it isn't the end of the world provided the ADC gets a chance to farm CS for a while. But that doesn't mean you plan for or encourage it.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I personally don't buy sweepers simply because if my wards are down, I can counter bait. And I thoroughly enjoy counter baiting. Probably too much >.< . It kept denying my emote.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Also, why would I want to go towards supporting a team in a team fight if I am successfully picking enemy players across the map so that a team fight never breaks out?

Assuming, I can't pick- why would I grab a champ sheerly over utility for a teamfight, when I can grab a champ with good initiation to a fight that also provides heavy kill potential?

Don't be offended. I'm taking my first day back on the forums to try and make people question things. I get the sweeper bit =P, I just love...well above post.

Lwnt1 votes

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Um... no... just no. Sightstone enables me to grab a item 3362 or item 3364, either of which are enormously helpful throughout the game (I prefer the yellow myself). Are the stats on it crap? Definitely. But taking up a trinket slot that can go to dedicated enemy ward detection or continuous pink wards just to avoid shelling out 800 gold makes very little sense.

Having an assassin as a support is so situation-dependent, I would label it as flat out dumb in solo-Q. The support has two jobs in life during the laning phase: keep their ADC alive Nami Braum Sona Janna and hold enemy champions down so the ADC can (somewhat) safely beat the living tar out of them Blitzcrank Taric Thresh Leona. The ideal arrangement in lane is to have the ADC get the kills AND the CS; gold items literally exist to make up for the difference, not perfectly but to an extent. Why do you think all three of the main gold items have final builds that don't (with the slight exception of FoTM) require stats to be used? Because the designers assumed their end users wouldn't have very good stats. A good support focuses on utility over stats: yeah, Blitcrank's and Thresh's Qs scale off of AP. Does this matter? not really. Because their Qs are not meant to be used as damaging attacks, they're intended for CC.

Having said that, I concede that some supports have decent poke abilities Morgana Soraka Zilean; these champs are likely why item 3303 is a thing. Most assuredly if you are playing those guys you want to poke whenever you are free to. But don't obsess about it.

If I had to pick the number one characteristic of a good support, it would be this: someone who is not item or stat dependent. Yeah, there's a few exceptions (Taric, I'm looking at you). And yeah, if the support gets a kill it isn't the end of the world provided the ADC gets a chance to farm CS for a while. But that doesn't mean you plan for or encourage it.

I like how you dont mention that some supports have utility that scale with Ap (Sona, lulu, janna, Nami and soraka). Sometime stats can actually be better then utility item. In other words Ap stats increases the strength of the utility of the champion's skill.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

most of assassins are poor harassers and can do nothing without levels and items

you can play support lb though. well support annie (i knew a person who played support annie 2 years ago when it wasn't trendy, lol) it's basically what you want and even better

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I had success (before ping issues, so match history is sadly bad) with:

Cassiopeia Diana Fizz Katarina Malzahar Nidalee Orianna Shaco Syndra Talon Teemo Veigar Velkoz Yasuo One of my gold friends did Brand, I don't own him yet =(.

SanKakU1 votes

I've seen a lot of folks feed nonstop because trying to ward with that sightstone, that giant waste of gold...lost a lot of games because of it. Could have bought real items and helped the ADC farm but no...

You're totally right, EvilRabbitt.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I wasn't trying to start a war, but I don't see why you need to eliminate vision if you have vision as well. Then it becomes strategic. Hey, they see us in this bush, but not that one. Lets bait them into trying to pick off our mid, then blow them up from this bush.

And thanks for support =). Pun intended.

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