Daily reminder that Yasuo is garbage and needs massive buffs/rework

Arsames · 2015-06-26T13:52:10.300Z

Can't initiate Delay on Q animation, meaning if you get CC'd it won't register and won't do damage Squishy as fuck for a melee carry, outclassed by both Master Yi and Tryndamere, while being harder to play than both of them Abilities overnerfed Pathetic mobility without minion waves Forced to build shiv/edge, can't adapt to enemy champs/items Even with shiv/edge damage is still low because of crit penalty has 46% win rate, enough said Yasuo is fucking trash. RIP

Arsames·Jun 26, 2015·3 votes·868 views

Can't initiate
Delay on Q animation, meaning if you get CC'd it won't register and won't do damage
Squishy as fuck for a melee carry, outclassed by both Master Yi and Tryndamere, while being harder to play than both of them
Abilities overnerfed
Pathetic mobility without minion waves
Forced to build shiv/edge, can't adapt to enemy champs/items
Even with shiv/edge damage is still low because of crit penalty
has 46% win rate, enough said

Yasuo is fucking trash.

RIP

26 Comments

SEKAIJun 26, 20154 votes

Squishier than Yi? You have no idea, Yi is only remotely tanky if your team is stupid and not interrupt his channel, otherwise generally he at most tanks 2 attacks and go straight to hell afterwards unless incredibly fed. Yasuo has a rechargeable shield with no internal CD.

Why don't you mention his strengths such as no resource, no CD, team scale CC, infinite mobility when he does get them, crazy snowball, double passive, double crit and wind wall?

Also win rate by itself isn't a good measure of a champ's strength, it has always been that way.

I would say Yasuo is pretty average now, not too hot nor cool and that's fine, Trash? Nah man.

Even with shiv/edge damage is still low because of crit penalty

Just no.

Shroom JunkieJun 26, 20153 votes

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Can't initiate

Q is an initiate. Q+Ult is a major initiate.

Plus he's generally an assassin, he's not supposed to initiate.

Delay on Q animation, meaning if you get CC'd it won't register and won't do damage

Lots of people have delays and can be interrupted. Is there a problem?

Squishy as fuck for a melee carry, outclassed by both Master Yi and Tryndamere, while being harder to play than both of them

Also being an assassin with a major team fight ability.

Abilities overnerfed

Before the nerfs he was OP as all fuck.

Pathetic mobility without minion waves.

Yeah, instead, he has to actually WALK! OMG RIGHT?! not like anyone used to have to -.- I wish Kassadin was still the most mobile champion in League. dufuq happened to that?

oh yeah and when there is a minion wave he's pretty much the most mobile champ in the game so yeah

Forced to build shiv/edge, can't adapt to enemy champs/items

Not forced, just the best course of action. And he can adapt, just like everyone else. After those two items just go on to a defensive item. Dipshit.

Even with shiv/edge damage is still low because of crit penalty

LOL -10% damage on crits Runes+IE pretty much negates that and eventually he has 100% crit chance and enough damage to two or three shot squishies while still being able to 1v5 with his multi-target Q and ult, plus his major juking with his E and ignoring pretty much every projectile ever with his W.

has 46% win rate, enough said

That's because people don't know how to play him. They think "just ult whenever its up because fuck this I want the damage" "towerdive and I'll get the kill" "I'm unstoppable because HASAGIIII!!111"

ArsamesJun 26, 20152 votes

cba reading your entir comment since from the start you speak nonsense, must be low elo, no other explenation.

Yasuo is a fighter, not assassin.
Q is not an intiate.
Assassins can initiate easily.

jDVL20eCYsJun 26, 20153 votes

3 is not true. the only assassins that can kind go engage is diana, fizz, ekko and rengar i guess. all is better to follow up on engage. nut basically you can engage with any champ that have hard cc or can flank so

ArsamesJun 26, 20151 votes

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3 is not true. the only assassins that can kind go engage is diana, fizz, ekko and rengar i guess. all is better to follow up on engage. nut basically you can engage with any champ that have hard cc or can flank so

Diana is not an Assassin you clueless noob. Almost all assassins have an on demand engage and can initiate fights: Akali Katarina Khazix Leblanc MasterYi Nocturne Talon Zed

jDVL20eCYsJun 26, 20154 votes

gap closer = engage? well... then 98% every one can engage. ....

ArsamesJun 26, 20151 votes

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gap closer = engage? well... then 98% every one can engage. ....

Yasuo can't, he has no reliable engage :) Buff Yasuo

TheRakkunJun 26, 20151 votes

Nocturne isn't an assassin either, atleast, not by the playerbases definition, nocturne is a bruiser. Assassins either act as clean-up after a teamfight or diving high priority targets and bursting them down, which nocturne can't do as he's not bursty.

ArsamesJun 26, 20151 votes

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Nocturne isn't an assassin either, atleast, not by the playerbases definition, nocturne is a bruiser. Assassins either act as clean-up after a teamfight or diving high priority targets and bursting them down, which nocturne can't do as he's not bursty.

Nocturne is primary Assassin noob, player base is clueless low elo trash. Majority are bronze/silver/gold rofl. Nocturne isn't bursty? rofl, I 1 shot ADC on my nocturne.

TheRakkunJun 26, 20151 votes

That's why I said according to the player base, and I'd like to see you one-shot anyone as nocturne, in the time it takes you to chunk a person from full health to 0 health it's not burst damage anymore, it's sustained.

ArsamesJun 26, 20151 votes

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That's why I said according to the player base, and I'd like to see you one-shot anyone as nocturne, in the time it takes you to chunk a person from full health to 0 health it's not burst damage anymore, it's sustained.

And I told you what th eplayer base thinks is nonsense, because the majority are low elo noobs like you. The role of champions are classified by the in game client, not what some random garbage silver player thinks.

Duo Q with me I show you how I 1 shot people with Nocturne, easy peasy.

Vistha KaiJun 26, 20151 votes

Before the nerfs he was OP as all fuck.

OP as fuck, except the fact I never lost a lane to Yasuo unless he had two people to help him and I had none. Since his release.

FHMarshyJun 26, 20152 votes

Can't initiate??? One of the easiest gap closer with an aoe ranged knock up?? No initiate?? WHAT?

Squishy as fuck for a melee carry, outclassed by both Master Yi and Tryndamere, while being harder to play than both of them Built in shield that charges up by just walking, and a wind wall that blocks all projectile? WHAT??

Pathetic mobility without minion waves Core build on Yasuo item 3087 , quite a high movement speed there.

Forced to build shiv/edge, can't adapt to enemy champs/items Really? I mean, Vayne? and most ADCs are more than likely forced to build IE? I

has 46% win rate, enough said LB 44.21 % and people still ban/pick her almost every game. Azir 46.31% and is either picked or banned in almost every LCS games, Lucian 46.21% and every one still agree that he is a viable pick.

Your point?

Vistha KaiJun 26, 20151 votes

While I agree with the idea, thread is overly negative and will get downvoted just for that.

Lauricella3Jun 26, 20151 votes

I agree with the q delay, and a crit penalty is kinda stupid design. Since other melee champs are getting MR per lvl maybe it's time yasuo got it too.

SEKAIJun 26, 20152 votes

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I agree with the q delay, and a crit penalty is kinda stupid design. Since other melee champs are getting MR per lvl maybe it's time yasuo got it too.

Not only that he isn't meant to be tanky or sustaining, he is actually designed to be squishy/unprotected when shield and wall are not up, that's also why he gets to keep his 0 CD kit.

Can't see why we would need to give him MR per lvl.

The penalty was there to prevent the champ from being bat shiet OP, which he was when he was just released even with the penalty on. Also I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the penalty was actually not CertainlyT's idea, but I digress.

101100111000Jun 26, 20151 votes

I personally think he has fine initiation, it's just that in teamfights he performs better as a follow-up to knock-up initiation.

Considering his Q is a smartcast skillshot, I'm not surprised CC can interrupt it. It's annoying, but at least consistent.

Also, I find that Shiv/IE or PD/IE being core just means his other 3 items can be whatever non-crit item he wants, and hell, sometimes I don't even rush IE on my Yasuo and go for BT or BotRK instead.

It's probably helps he's squishy because he has a replenishing shield that mitigates poke.

The idea that a champion's mobility is tied to an offensive style seems like blasphemy to you, even though it ideally fits his all-in style, and the laning phase means he can just dash through his opponent's minions, trade, then dash right back.

And I just went through some win-rates, and he's sitting at around 48-49%. So if he's somehow over-nerfed, I'd hate to seem him tuned to balance.

SookoJun 26, 20151 votes

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Can't initiate

An assassin that can't initiate... Its almost like he is an assassin!

2. Delay on Q animation, meaning if you get CC'd it won't register and won't do damage

An assassin that won't do good if he gets CC'd... Still looks like an assassin

3. Squishy as fuck for a melee carry, outclassed by both Master Yi and Tryndamere, while being harder to play than both of them

Unless Yasuo loses his shield and Yi isn't CC'd during his channel, you are lying about the first one. Also, neither of those get half as much of an overloaded kit as Yasuo

4. Abilities overnerfed

Overnerfed while poor balanced Yasuo had 80% banrate

5. Pathetic mobility without minion waves

Kek (or monsters, scuttle crab, or basically any enemy, which is the real reason why you need mobility, not to mention the retarded MS you get from crit items)

6. Forced to build shiv/edge, can't adapt to enemy champs/items

Yeah, kind of a problem for most mid laners that use mana and need a Zhonya's active, don't come at me with that

7. Even with shiv/edge damage is still low because of crit penalty

If Edge didn't have a passive, this would almost be true

8. has 46% win rate, enough said

If half of the world didn't go full wannabe and instalock him whenever he isn't banned, he could get a bigger winrate, but seeing as he is one of those permanently popular champions, winrate is just not accurate at all

Yasuo is fucking trash.

That's not how you spell Zilean

ArsamesJun 27, 20151 votes

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An assassin that can't initiate... Its almost like he is an assassin!

An assassin that won't do good if he gets CC'd... Still looks like an assassin

Unless Yasuo loses his shield and Yi isn't CC'd during his channel, you are lying about the first one. Also, neither of those get half as much of an overloaded kit as Yasuo

Overnerfed while poor balanced Yasuo had 80% banrate

Kek (or monsters, scuttle crab, or basically any enemy, which is the real reason why you need mobility, not to mention the retarded MS you get from crit items)

Yeah, kind of a problem for most mid laners that use mana and need a Zhonya's active, don't come at me with that

If Edge didn't have a passive, this would almost be true

If half of the world didn't go full wannabe and instalock him whenever he isn't banned, he could get a bigger winrate, but seeing as he is one of those permanently popular champions, winrate is just not accurate at all

That's not how you spell Zilean

Not going to reply to your entire post, because right away you speak nonsense.

Yasuo is a FIGHTER, not an ASSASSIN.
Majority of ASSASSINS have on demand reliable long range gap closer, so they can initiate. So get a clue.

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Sooko no wonder unranked, and epic feeder in the 2 ranked games you played, rofl stick with ARAM and BOT games.

SookoJun 27, 20151 votes

If he isn't an assassin, then why do you demand a reliable long range gap closer? Genius....

Not to mention the two ranked games you did fish out of my history were from season 4, not to mention as soon as I hit 30 but w/e.

If he was unviable not only would he not have the ban rate he has, but also the popularity in every ELO. The difference between you and me, is that I look at the champion's statistics when defending my thesis, instead of the person who I am arguing with's (sure if I did I could still win, you are probably the least credible person in EUW either way)

ArsamesJun 27, 20151 votes

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If he isn't an assassin, then why do you demand a reliable long range gap closer? Genius....

Not to mention the two ranked games you did fish out of my history were from season 4, not to mention as soon as I hit 30 but w/e.

If he was unviable not only would he not have the ban rate he has, but also the popularity in every ELO. The difference between you and me, is that I look at the champion's statistics when defending my thesis, instead of the person who I am arguing with's (sure if I did I could still win, you are probably the least credible person in EUW either way)

When did I demand a reliable long range gap closer BECAUSE he is an Assassin? I didn't. I just refuted posts made by idiot noobs like you who say he shouldn't have one, because Assassins aren't supposed to have one, which is obviously false. "Genius", trying to be smart, but failing so hard, rofl, irony overload.

Yasuo's stats show that is trash tier and needs massive buffs. Low win rate, ignored for years by LCS players.

SookoJun 27, 20151 votes

Then the only thing that stops Yasuo from being an assassin is his lack of initiation (the lack of which I won't even start to argue about)? I am yet to see a bruiser Yasuo or anything other than glass cannon until fifth item Yasuo, because, like you said, he can't build defenses in his first items.

And yes, he would be trash tier, if everybody that played him was actually good at Yasuo. But the thing is he is the 6th most popular champion and the 12th most banned as well. If you think that everyone in this group of wannabes like you plays Yasuo decently, you are wrong. Many of these people outplay themselves, press R as soon as they can, etc... And I won't even go to champions with low popularity with low win rate, or champions who never get picked in LCS and are never picked in soloQ either. Literally 9/10 of the people in my friend list have at least 1 level in champion mastery in Yasuo. This can't be in any normal situation a garbage champion.

ArsamesJun 27, 20151 votes

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Then the only thing that stops Yasuo from being an assassin is his lack of initiation (the lack of which I won't even start to argue about)? I am yet to see a bruiser Yasuo or anything other than glass cannon until fifth item Yasuo, because, like you said, he can't build defenses in his first items.

And yes, he would be trash tier, if everybody that played him was actually good at Yasuo. But the thing is he is the 6th most popular champion and the 12th most banned as well. If you think that everyone in this group of wannabes like you plays Yasuo decently, you are wrong. Many of these people outplay themselves, press R as soon as they can, etc... And I won't even go to champions with low popularity with low win rate, or champions who never get picked in LCS and are never picked in soloQ either. Literally 9/10 of the people in my friend list have at least 1 level in champion mastery in Yasuo. This can't be in any normal situation a garbage champion.

rofl, wannabe? I am diamond and better than you at this game, I am a good Yasuo, but he is just useless in higher elo's, too many weaknesses, can't carry games at all. He needs massive buffs to become viable.

SookoJun 27, 20151 votes

If that is all you have to say I think we are done here.

TacB VIPEREYEOct 26, 20151 votes

I can't play this fucking champ for the life of me either, i can play anything but fucking yasou. I honestly don't understand him, my thoughts, if he gets behind or does not KS he is useless.