Problem with Ziggs

Joykillss·11/13/2019, 5:18:38 AM·18 votes·10,113 views

I am curious on the game physics. Why does Ziggs, a champion with 4 skill shots have a q which can miss even when perfectly in line by bouncing over. This normally would not bother me however, it is completely one sided. Ziggs will get nailed by every ability (from what I have seen) when he is mid sachel jump. So ziggs bombs bounce over people, yet ziggs can not bounce over a veigar wall? or over a blitz grab? or over a fizz ult? I believe the only thing he can jump over is landscape walls and a yorick cage (which I am not even positive about). Why the inconsistencies? For the record I am not saying Ziggs needs a buff, just frustrated at the clunkyness of his kit in correlation with other champions.

22 Comments

Crimson Zeppelin11/13/2019, 7:23:59 AM14 votes

Fizz gets on a less than 1 meter pole and dodges everything. Even a planet sized nuke-star.

Infernape11/13/2019, 10:36:04 AM9 votes

Because Ziggs' W is technically a dash. League has no true Z axis aside from Ziggs' Q (but even then last I checked it simply checks to see if there is a unit on top of it as it bounces and does damage if there is). It's the same way Zac or Tristana can't "jump" over spells.

Ore wa LeBlanc11/13/2019, 8:38:21 AM5 votes

You say you're not saying he needs a buff, but at the same time you're saying he should be untargetable while jumping with his W.

His kit is not clunky. His Q is very fair as it is now, considering he can spam it and it hits AOE-ish. He might be squishy, but that's the pay-off for having so much range that the enemy laner won't reach him before taking a considerable amount of damage. And when he takes barrier it makes it even harder to kill him. Ziggs is at a fairly good spot now, and he's very annoying to deal with.

TwitchInMyPants11/13/2019, 4:23:38 PM5 votes

TBH the Q mechanic is pretty fair as is and it makes him take more skill, you can make it almost a line skillshot by making shorter bounces at a lesser range. Something like that takes more practice and is more fair to play against than nonsense like Zoe's redirecting Q.

However his W is pretty weak as a safety tool. Even if it can knock back and give him mobility simultaneously, the knockback is only relevant vs melee champions and he does get hit by all abilities like a dash. Given how he's entirely skillshots he probably should have a blink, if Ezreal can justify it I think it'd make sense if Ziggs could be invincible mid jump.

Hayaishi211/13/2019, 6:07:44 PM5 votes

Back in the S4 patch 4.11

Ziggs moves slower and his bombs got skinnier.

"Right now we see Ziggs as having a unique strategic fit in the game (stalling out to let his teammates ramp up in strength), but he's a little too safe in lane and still has a lot of explosive power to carry his team to a win when he gets ahead. Adding on these strengths, Ziggs is also a well-rounded, consistent champion who can do a lot of things at once, so we're looking for ways to add more risk or unreliability to his kit."

General MOVEMENT SPEED: 330 ⇒ 325 Q - Bouncing Bomb EXPLOSION TRIGGER DETECTION RADIUS: 180 ⇒ 150

Worse fucking change ever. Should be reverted. His bombs "bouncing over" is the worse feeling in the game. I play this champion a lot and this is honestly infuriating.

Darkdemon65311/13/2019, 5:55:32 PM5 votes

As said above, there is no "over" in this game. The ability simply loses its hitbox when it's visually in the air. Heimer's uprgaded E works the same way. The intent was for him to be able to hit far targets, such as someone standing behind minions or squishies standing behind teammates, while at a safe range. If it were a regular skillshot like Ez's Q, it could be more easily blocked.

Tworie11/13/2019, 5:24:37 AM4 votes

I got 9 turrets down by myself as Ziggs, but I still lost, because he has such low damage.

Redskinsrock261111/13/2019, 3:35:04 PM3 votes

A change to his q's hit box would most likely make me very very very happy.

HP Crookshanks11/13/2019, 1:37:56 PM3 votes

His kit is too unreliable.

The Soulforged11/13/2019, 7:33:55 PM2 votes

This is the reason I play glacial Ziggs. The bombs bouncing can be frustrating, but it's usually because you're throwing them max range, so I don't mind them bouncing over people too much. It's more frustrating when trying to hit someone nearby and the bounces cause it to miss.

Żügżwäng11/14/2019, 12:10:58 AM2 votes

I know what you mean but the bounce allows you to be tricky over minions. Then you have new characters like senna who can just lazer through the whole group for similar damage :p

5050BS11/13/2019, 9:45:39 AM1 votes

There are a TON of Bugs like this. Its very annoying.

I just had a game where I was playing Illaoi and my E got blocked by Ekko's BUBBLE!!? Like WTF Riot fix your damn CODE