A non pro player plays urgot supp Reported for trolling
pro player plays urgot supp Everyone plays urgot supp Urgot is stopped being played in top lane by pro players Urgot gathers dust in champion select
All within the same patch
And i Hate it We normal players have to realize we can change the meta by trying new things (not saying everyone go urgot support)
EDIT: Wow thats alot of comments, and i also have to try some of the ideas you guys list!
IcyPepper23 votesI went Soraka jungle once.
They invaded my jungle.
I invaded their corpses.
TotalJerk6 votesHow the hell did you survive clears? How did you clear at all?
NinjaToad992 votesNobody expects the banana!
Laraso2 votesSoraka jungle, Draven jungle, Jinx jungle, Thresh jungle, Nami jungle. I've done all of these and it's actually pretty fun. I think my favorite and also the most viable one is Lulu jungle. Honestly if you have proper jungling runes it's not hard at all. Not with Soraka, nor with any other champions.
insaiyanbacca3 voteshave you tried lucian jungle, the drive-by ganks are just amazing
IcyPepper1 votesoh you~
hue
insaiyanbacca1 votesim serious the drive-by ganks are to die for. unless of course you just hit a bunch of minions....but hey free gold
IcyPepper5 votes
Nobody.
Expects.
The Banana.
Edit: I'm also a bored jungle main. You can only play AD bruisers so much (thank god for the recent tank buffs, tho) before you get... creative.
Baron of Bread1 votesTry Diana, she is doing fine in the jungle.
IcyPepper1 votesDone that.
I'm more into off-meta champions when I'm bored. Diana is a champion that deserves me actually trying.
Zmuecat2 votesMY IDEAS ARE STILL ALIVE MWHAHAHAHAHA.
Diana is fun though.
IcyPepper1 votesOh hey man!
Since Soraka, wouldn't devourer be better on Diana than warrior/magus? THe damage and clearing is awesome.
Also, got any more ideas before I go wild? Silly stuff like Sona jungle (NEVER going to do that again, tho).
Sirsir1 votesDiana scales better with AP & CDR than attack speed, since the only way she scales with attack speed involves having AP on her already. It basically comes down to 
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libraryseraph 1 votesYou are a mad teslaesque genius i salute you
The Chain Warder1 votesI tried that once. I didn't get counter-jungled for some reason. It was fun, but my ganks were pretty much "Hey, have some heals."
IcyPepper2 votesI build some aa damage and speed, and used my ambulance passive to run past my ally and hit the enemy with my silence/root.
Now that's how you gank. :3 The bananas are real.
The Chain Warder1 votesThat's broken. I'd best re-evaluate my Raka jungle strategy.
Collapser12 votesFor pro matches, they should just ban all the game one champs for game two so you can see more variety in selections.
windwolf7773 votesFor pro matches, they should just ban all the game one champs for game two so you can see more variety in selections.
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Does this seem accurate in what champs would be in? Not in these matchups, not in the same games, but at least what champ pool
Chespin20131 votes vs
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windwolf7771 votesSure. If is usually played top then that works. I just don't know top meta very well aside from it's usually a 1-1, mostly tanky ish champs, and doesn't get much jg attention unless bot is just shitting on the enemy bot. And even then I don't really know much about top. Sorry. Was just guessing top tbh
TheHobbits4 votesIts whatever the pro's do. Before the pro's made a video about it, Brand support was a troll pick and anyone that did it was reported.
Now however, Brand sup? Yes please.
TotalJerk6 votesI know a guy that's been doing Brand support for years. He likes supports that can just go carry if the ADC player turns out to be shit.
Occams Raiser2 votesAlways a good idea.
Dominnion4 votesI don't watch pro players AT ALL. And I'm sure the majority of players are like me.
TotalJerk4 votesIf you want to break the meta, you don't go anti-meta, you go counter-meta. The sleeper OP champs tend to be champions that hard-counter current meta picks. Once they hit the mainstream they become the new meta. Urgot RUINED a lot of meta melee tops for a while, but the recent shifts towards ranged and mage tops is making him fall out of favor up there.
KaisadiIIa4 votesWe can't "change the meta" because people will flame and be negative as soon as you play something they don't like.
You can try something like Malphite AP. Don't bother: people will flame, troll and you will lost 1 out of every 3 games just because someone trolled and threw away the game because "omg Malphite trollpick".
Hell, I once lost a ranked playing as Malz because our jungler wanted me to pick Zed, I refused and then, in game, he kept doing stupid things at my lane and dying and blaming everything on me "because I picked Malz", it was like "I was forced to dive turret at level 2 because you picked Malzahar noob" AND MALZ IS NOT EVEN AN "ANTI-META" PICK.
redniwediS3 votesThe real meta is what's being seen by the monkeys. Stay ahead of the curve, try new things, and you'll avoid that hairy fate.
Occams Raiser1 votesThere is only so much innovation to be had from normals and solo queue. Teams can develop strategies that randoms and solo cant. It takes a pro endorsement to show teams how they need to comp together. Pros are the professors and we are the students. Every now and then you show a pro something new... but I wouldn't go thinking that's normal.
redniwediS1 votesThere are team specific strategies, sure, but are there not also solo strategies? Picks and builds can be experimented with just as easily as timed roams and lane swaps.
It's not about finding something new, it's about revealing something that is but cannot be seen by most.
Occams Raiser1 votesI'm NOT sure there actually is room for solo strategies. In a team based game, the only way solo strategies work is when there is a skill offset or the other team is full of mavericks too. Good teamwork and role responsibility should always crush the less efficient teams with holes in their game. Or in their team.
redniwediS2 votesI can't really think of a better way to explain what I'm saying. A team is made up of five individual people, and even with the best teamwork possible those five individuals will put their own spin on their chosen role.
Making your own solo strategy isn't about preparing to carry the game by yourself, it's about testing both the limits of the game and yourself within the job you've chosen to fill for your team. If your team needs a tanky initiator you could go with a meta pick, but who knows, maybe you can be the first to make cdr/tank Azir a thing.
You either figure out that stuff on your own, or you join the ranks of monkeys. Even though it's a very hit or miss thing, I'll always put myself in the former group rather than the latter.
Occams Raiser2 votesI understand what you are saying. But all things being meta, If you counter the meta that is good. There is a hole in a team comp and you can choose to fill it any way you choose. If a tanky AP gets it done that is cool. The element of surprise is a part of strategy too. BUT their are attributes that a team will have if they follow the meta: Damage, Tank, CC, AP, and Utility. There is room to play in the overlap but you don't want to be zero in any one of them.
Dengeden3 votesPlayers are sheep, there's a difference.
ChargeItDownMid2 votes[deleted]
Eraest977 votesUsually it is the player though that decides the meta. For example, Nid. Meant to be a Mid laner, but because of her rework someone was like "Hey she works will in the jungle." Was that Riot deciding to make Nid a jungler or the players finding out that she would make a really good jungler.
TonyTonyMordecai1 votesThey haven't done anything about Teemo Jungle, however... Seriously, the on-hit damage can get pretty crazy
Occams Raiser3 votesTeemo doesn't fit most teams cause no one will come help him.
TonyTonyMordecai2 votesOuch :( Time to play as Amumu
ChargeItDownMid1 votes[deleted]
Eraest972 votesOk but my point is that players will make the meta depending on why Riot does. When Riot makes a change, it is the player that will find how to make that change into a meta.
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Eraest972 votesWell look at Maokai. He was meant to be a tanky support champ, but the players found out that he would be a better jungler due to his sustain. I will agree that Riot pushes for the meta, but it is the players that have a role in figuring out what is going to be the new meta.
Occams Raiser3 votesThis is not an illustration of meta- breaking. That is role breaking. but he fits the Meta of what a jungler needs to do. He sustains in the jungle and he has lockdown when he comes out. Those are the two things you need to fit the meta. If you can be successful with another champ that fits those requirements that's cool too. I have seen people use adc champs to jungle. It doesn't go well. Anecdotal evidence isn't good evidence. Consistency breaks the meta.
ChargeItDownMid2 votes[deleted]
Eraest971 votesHe became a jungler yes because of his stats, but like a said he was originally planned to be a support champion in bot lane. Maokai didn't become a top laner until the jungle was changed and people found out that Maokai had worked out better in top lane than in the jungle. Riot has an idea of what they want their champs to do, but it is up to the players to find set up the meta on how to play this game.
For all you know next season, the current ADC and support bot lane will become the jungle role for the new meta. The question with that is would that be what Riot wanted or the players found out due to patch update that this works out better so this should be the meta.
SmokingPuffin1 votesCertainly balance changes are impactful, but there are many cases where a champion is discovered to solve a problem in the current meta.
For example, Viktor was a scary mid laner at Katowice, but he hadn't changed since 4.18. Corki became the omnipresent ADC, and formerly dominant Graves was barely played. Morgana is now drawing tons of bans for her ability to ... top lane?
ChargeItDownMid1 votes[deleted]
SmokingPuffin1 votesThe community does not have perfect knowledge or understanding of the game. If Riot opted to not patch the game for a year, the playerbase would still find new things over that time. Some examples:
The community innovates, but it doesn't do it instantly or perfectly. Sometimes it takes us months to find the solution to a problem, or to figure out how a strong thing can be made to fit into the meta.
