Lee sin needs more nerfs

ward jump or flash to you kick Q - Q

haha outplayed XDD

-lee mains

No, at this point you just need to get good. Lee is not the least mechanically intensive jungler. Not by a long shot, and if he were so easy to use then he would have a higher winrate if he was "op".

If he does get nerf then I want his Q and safeguard range to get nerf and that is it, the main problem I see is his Q is so fast for a skill shot and the range of both of them are B.S to have to deal with since it feels like he has a free flash all the time.

He is annoying yes, but OP doesnt really fit him. Overloaded? yes. but not Overpowered. he is like 90% based around landing a skill shot. dodge it. if he misses Q he has to ward hop to get to you and after that he has no way to get out or to chase further. Lee is a pain yes, but thats because a good lee sticks super hard and out plays you.

the real answer to dealing with lee now is to go to Walgreen's and pick up a tube of Git Gud™. its right next to the Preparation H.

Never played a single game on Lee

I love when people say is an easy champion to use. I would love to see these players make an impact past 20 minutes into the game or whenever Lee falls off.

There's 2 nerfs I'd like to see for Lee Sin, his Q damage needs to come down and his R needs to disable flash for its duration. His Q damage is just absurd, all up it's 340+1.8(AD)+8%missing HP, on a basic ability. Even things like Caitlyn's first hit Q and Varus Q do nowhere near that damage and those are pure damage spells with no utility. Kick>Flash also needs to die screaming in a fire, it should have never been allowed to exist.

I also think in the long term Riot should look to do a minor update to Lee and get rid of ward jumping. Maybe if we get a Diver update at the end of the year Lee should be one of the champs.

He's not going to truly leave the meta until they hit his sustain/clear.

After his ult nerf I haven't seen a single get ridiculously fed in the jungle, hence showing that the nerf worked correctly.

Riot doesn't nerf "annoying" or "aggrevating" or when they get far ahead due to poor playstyle on their enemies part and carry the game (and I'm assuming you made this post because you recently saw a lee sin do good)

A champion is nerfed when a stat/skill/build path is consistently pulling more weight than other champions in the game.

Downvote and reply away, but this is 100% just a thread.

also I think riot needs to work on that ultimate of his in general... it takes so much health away

1. He's not broken right now. He cannot solo carry nearly as much as rengar or kha with the same number of kills/lead. 2. He's too popular to be gutted the way the gutted eve back in the day; it would be like them deleting teemo from the game due to "unhealthy mechanics (mushroom fields)". Merely mentioning the possibility of deleting teemo -- as with "gutting" lee -- would result in massive outpouring of angry posts beyond what you could expect from almost any other champ getting the same treatment.

Umm. actually take a hell of a lot more skill than most other junglers. as he relies in a skillshot for most of his damage and his engage

something i know a LOT about as a main.

lee has been OP at certain points in the games history and one very recently, but i don't feel right now is one of them.

hell if i am going to ban out junglers? would be the top of this list AS the OP's (in that order)

if we expand my jungle only bans ( in no particular order)

and after those... i would ban (in no particular order)

i mean lee is like 10+ down on my list of who i would ban right now and that's if we ONLY included junglers...

he REALLY isn't an issue right now...

Yeah, but there are better junglers.

If his damn ultimate didn't lock you in place before it hits he'd be way easier to balance.

Faceroll easy to use and overpowered is basically Lee Sin in a nutshell. Riot will never nerf him because he is flashy and they like that.... and before someone says anything; MEANINGFULLY nerf him, not the love taps that he sometimes gets.

For reference; got HYPER gutted multiple times with hard nerfs to mana costs, scaling, base damage and cooldowns in single patches. Do that even once to Lee Sin and then we will call it a nerf.

Perhaps making Lee Sin's ultimate a skillshot would make people be able to dodge it the area of effect radius should be like Rengar's Q

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I really feel like Lee should get stronger the later the game goes, not weaker. He should be weaker in the early game, and more focused on utility. . .

In short, he needs a rework. I would propose removing the pre kick stun from his ult and put it as the follow skill on Q with much lower damage, focusing it on the utility of the skill to displace instead of damage, and making his current follow up Q become the 1st Q instead but being a skillshot that telegraphs the landing location with a circle. Then he still is reliant on the skillshot, but isn't as safe. His ult could then become a volley of Sonic Wave pulses that ricochet off targets and mark them, marked targets take bonus magic damage anytime Lee Sin deals damage to them and briefly stuns them.

This kind of rework keeps all the current stuff, lowers the skill cap slightly so he can be better balanced around numbers instead of potential, and provides all the utility of his current kit while allowing him to scale better into late game and thus being able to tone down his early game without as negatively impacting his gameplay. Size of the Ult, range of the knockback on follow up Q and other things would need to be tested, balanced and adjusted extensively I am sure though.

I don't know whether he's too strong but on what planet is Lee Sin easy to use? Have you ever tried playing him?

I really cant tell if this is a serious post or not. On one hand its Lee Sin. On the other hand is anyone... BLIND... enough to just say "Too stronk, riot gut please"