I really don't like Vayne's Q damage.

Schàdenfreude·Nov 12, 2016·69 votes·2,695 views

Is she an assasin or something? Last time I checked, Vayne isn't supposed to burst you in one shot. She's supposed to be dps.

31 Comments

CrettNov 13, 201611 votes

Vayne's Q damage shouldn't crit. That's what I think the issue is here as it stands it scales fully with crit. With IE that's a full 175% extra AD on top of the 250%.

The Blue RajahNov 13, 20161 votes

It could always crit, it just wasn't synced with the auto, sometimes the q would crit but not the auto, and vice versa; now it's always the same, either both crit or neither. You can check the patch notes from that change for confirmation.

The increase in ad ratio however, did have a bigger impact precisely because it is capable of critting however.

WolfeiteNov 12, 20165 votes

Vayne is one of the more assassin-like marksmen, yes.

MimyNov 12, 20165 votes

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Vayne is one of the more assassin-like marksmen, yes.

She is categorized as a Secondary Assassin.

I have a feeling Her nerfs will come... Especially with item 3153 being Buffed again...

Vayne Will Skyrocket for about a month though..

Heckin SupportNov 12, 201618 votes

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Vayne is one of the more assassin-like marksmen, yes.

Assassin and Marksman should not be in the same kit.

CrettNov 12, 20169 votes

Twitch

Potent RodentNov 13, 201614 votes

I'll agree with this, Twitch already fills the marksmen assassin quota; And tbh, he only fills the roll of "assassin" when under the right circumstances, e.g. the enemy fails to take his presence or possibility of presence into account when fighting him. Se he's only a situational assassin.

Twitch Main

Avios1Nov 13, 20163 votes

Name checks out.

DoseqisNov 13, 20161 votes

I feel like Twitch is a really well designed champion he has aspects of an assassin but the consistent DPS to be played as an ADC which opens up alot of options for him, i remember 2 games one where twitch kept ambushing me with his stealth to take me out of a fight as an ADC he never killed me but i couldn't go into fights.

The other game was one where he used his ADC function to wreck a whole team at baron.

Lady HammerlockNov 13, 20162 votes

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Assassin and Marksman should not be in the same kit.

Twitch

PiedoesnotlieNov 13, 20161 votes

Ever heard of a sniper? They count as assassin and are indeed a marksman.

ømgNov 13, 20161 votes

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Assassin and Marksman should not be in the same kit.

Twitch

Objectively should not be? Or you personally think should not be

WulfyNov 13, 20162 votes

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Is she an assasin or something? Last time I checked, Vayne isn't supposed to burst you in one shot. She's supposed to be dps.

Actually, Vayne is an assassin. It's her secondary trait. They removed secondary traits from data, but it's there.

For instance, Lux is a mage/support under the old system. Vayne was the (only?) marksman/assassin.

Hardstuck G4Nov 13, 20162 votes

Twitch I think, and Jhin

WulfyNov 13, 20162 votes

Twitch, IDK. And Jihn def not. He's super bursty though, but maybe. Haven't given that much thought.

DoseqisNov 13, 20161 votes

Jhin has very clear clues and no escapes though which is a huge downside, Vayne at the moment has 2 seconds of stealth that they removed the counterplay for and you pretty much live or die by her 2 item RNG crits.

JavelinJoeNov 13, 20161 votes

Jhin is a marksmen/assassin 100%

TyroneWatermelonNov 13, 20161 votes

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Twitch I think, and Jhin

Atleast Jhin needs to aim,is immobile and has counterplay

Genocide VictimNov 12, 20161 votes

Meanwhile Draven

AckelopeNov 12, 20167 votes

there are different circumstances here. Draven has no incredibly powerful mobility abilities and is easy to catch, Vayne has a knock away/conditional stun, invisibility, and a low-cooldown (albeit short-distance) mobility spell. Draven's damage is also reliant on him positioning himself well and moving himself in such a way that the axes land in favorable positions, it can make his movement extremely predictable, and sometimes kill him. Draven probably has enough gating his high damage that it can be allowed when someone plays him properly.

DoseqisNov 13, 20163 votes

The problem i have with Vayne at this point though is the fact that she can pretty much outdo Draven, with high mobility and Free Ad on her ult allowing her to build Shiv first and still do DPS as though she had a BF Sword

Tobias BracknerNov 13, 20161 votes

Is this some kind of FotM build that people are all whining about?

CryoTechNov 13, 20161 votes

I just made my own discussion talking about her faults and my reasons of why she needs some sort of change!

The LovelessNov 13, 20161 votes

She was released as an assassin who didn't even build crit. She only became labeled as marksman after pros played her bot instead of mid, so yeah that's how her kit was inspired originally. If you want that to change and for her to be implicitly marksman, holler at Riot.