yuumi is lazy

rtbf247626423··5 votes·2,509 views

just watch the trailer, she's just reskinned abilities from recent champs and reworks.

she has the exact same Rakan shield thing even with the same mechanics and animations.

she has kayle's exact ranged wave attack thing,

she seems to have ekkos ult or zoe's portals

and then what looks like zoe's q but a slow?

idk she just seems like a cheap and lazy excuse that was put together just last week or something

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mrmeddyman11 votes

Tf?

HER Q CAN BE STEERED WITH THE MOUSE AFTER LAUNCHING... What other champion can do that?

She can attach to an ally, anchoring herself to them and use them as a mobile defense like in fucking Gundam. The closest thing to that is Lulus' Pix and thats' just an ability this is that on steroids turned up to 11.

Neekos' kit was very conventional with a passive that was unique but isn't very practical... Sylas QWE were EXTREMELY bland by Riots' current design ethos to make up for his "unique" R. Which is unique in the sense that it steals other ults that aren't unique. But you complain about this?

The only thing that's lazy is your post OP

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Terozu1 votes

Yeah her Q and W are both entirely unique... Sort of?

She's kind of basically a playable Pix, given an alterred Sona's ult.

mrmeddyman2 votes

Look man. After 143 champions unique is kind of a dirty word. Making champs too crazy off the wall leads to balance nightmares

(Akali) Lets make a champ that can ignore tower shots (Aatrox) Lets make a champ that has a built in GA on his ult (Irelia) Lets make a champ that can disable auto attacks

League needs to have some kind of sanity to remain fun. A fun game needs a consistent ruleset so that the mechanics don't become warped.

This is kind of the boundary of pushing for something new, while mostly reusing the core gameplay mechanics that make League fun

Terozu2 votes

I wasn't saying she was copied. I was saying she was sort of unique, she took an existing concept, Lulu, took part of it, Pix, and expanded on and made it it's own thing.

Yuumi is in essence, a playable Champion pet. That is a unique thing, Her Q following her uses entirely new tech that Rito has been developing for a long while, and they implemented it to essentially give her Pix's Auto passive as a skill.

Giving an established reason why she can do what she can. While also giving Pix some cool reasons for his own.

Why can he attach like that? It's a skill familiars have.

Why can he shield? He stores energy from his autos.

Why can he give a speed boost? He's using part of his healing spell.

Why does Lulu's ult heal and change size? Lulu is modifying the size to increase max health via transmogrification, Pix is using his healing spell's other part. This makes me love Lulu and Pix more because now I know that they work together for their ult. That's really cool.

I love her and the implications on how Pix works. It also shows a difference between her and him, he is able to split spells apart and use them in a more refined way. Whereas Yuumi uses her skills as more of a raw power kind of feel fitting her subtly selfish nature and undisciplined personality. When she gains shield power, she can't store it like Pix can. When she casts her heal she also uses the movement part.

League has 140+ champs, everything is copied from somewhere at this point. And that's fine. Especially when it creates a theme between characters.

Like how Eve and Tahm both mark character, and marked characters can be affected by their demon powers. I'm hoping they carry that over to Nocturne in his rework.

Or how Lissandra, Sejuani and Ashe the 3 queens of Freljord all have a massive stun for an ult. They're all fight changing abilities but they change the fight reflective of how the girls wish to lead the Freljord. Ashe is a global skill shot, showing her foresight, and her willingness to help those even when it's not personally immediately beneficial. Sejuani is a slow lumbering skill shot with shorter range, that has a heavy aoe affect, showing her raging and bloodthirsty leadership, she puts down those who object. Lissandra is instant and targetted, she acts swiftly with an ironfist, but she also knows not everything can be solved that way, so she might use it for defense instead.

mrmeddyman2 votes

Oh my bad thought you were being sarcastic.

Those are actually pretty astute observations about Tahm, Eve and the Three Ice Sisters. Never noticed those.

Terozu1 votes

There are actually some other similar abilities like that. There used to be more but a lot of them have actually been removed sadly.

For instance it used to be that every void champ in the game had a silence effect.

Meanwhile only Ionian born champions who have something to do with ninjas have energy. Which makes me strongly wander about Lee Sin and whether it's been covered in his lore which I havnt actually read yet! :D

The Ecdysiast7 votes

[New champion] is lazy; they have the exact same ranged autos as everyone else, or if they don't then it's just the same beam that Vel and Viktor have. They have a dash, which is totally just a copy of [insert 40 champions here] A heal? We already have heals [insert enchanters here] Portals, even if they work completely differently and that's just the visual? Totally a copy of Zoe's.

This game has certain mechanical effects that character designs have to follow. In order for a character to fit into the game, and subsequently fit into one of the classes the items are designed and balanced around, they need to have mechanics with similarities others in the intended class.

They aren't suddenly going to add in a first-person champ where you play as a dude with a gun shooting from a helicopter.

rtbf2476264232 votes

if you would watch the trailer then actually play the game you would see what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of balance or fitting into the game, she just has actually copied abilities with the exact same animations and mechanics as other recent champs and reworks. I don't care if she does the things she'll do but they need to atleast make it look and feel unique.

It's like what riot does where every other champ has an every third auto passive thing.

The Ecdysiast3 votes

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if you would watch the trailer then actually play the game you would see what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of balance or fitting into the game, she just has actually copied abilities with the exact same animations and mechanics as other recent champs and reworks. I don't care if she does the things she'll do but they need to atleast make it look and feel unique.

It's like what riot does where every other champ has an every third auto passive thing.

You just did a fairly decent job of explaining the issue you have with it, only to completely null that by saying they're the same animations (they're clearly not), and then ending with something that goes completely against your point.

Let's just address that last point, since it was by far the least helpful to your argument: 3rd hit passives Because aside from them all having unique animations because they're auto attacks, they have varying effects. Your complaint shows exactly how you fail to understand the fact this game has certain mechanics that champions must abide by.

Every 3rd his is a good go-too, because even with the attack speed cap of 2.5 it means you can't do it twice in one second. Kai'sa's is a variation where she has an ability that can stack 2 of her 5. Making it more attacks without an ability like that would be a poorly functioning ability. And making it fewer attacks would make the ability far too strong.

Kazekiba5 votes

Neeko is literally Galio's Q, Le Blancs Passive, Zyra's E and LITERALLY Nunu's R (she even stole his shield, even though he has it because hes a tank.) Sylas LITERALLY uses a given champion's exact ult, his Q is just Aatrox's old E, W is Illaoi's W, E is Naut's Q.

But Yuumi's kit feels quite different. The flame wave thing from kayle does kinda feel ... rehashed, but thats about it. And Kayle shouldn't have those in the first place, part of what made Kayle unique was having a non-projectile ranged auto. Why Gypsylord felt the need to make them AoE projectiles Yasuo I honestly Yasuo have no Yasuo idea.

Terozu1 votes

No her ult is a DOT sona ult with the stun having a condition.

Febos4 votes

You literally mentioned abilities from 4 different champions. I don't know if you are aware, but currently there are 140+ champions. If you can come up with a champion kit that doesn't overlap with any other champion then you may want to apply for a job as game designer. That's genius level brain right there and we can't let that go to waste.

rtbf2476264231 votes

dota has almost as many heroes as league has champs and very few abilities are copied in dota, and if they are copied it's just a base thing like a jump or a skillshot and that is even changed to be unique between heroes.

I can see and I know how hard it would be to come up with entirely unique abilities after that many champs, but if it does the same thing mechanically that's fine but atleast make it look different here they're just copying animations and giving then a slight change.

It's like what Diives does to milk money out of people on patreon, he's lazy and only cares about making money so he just traces the same body type and gives edits to make his characters technically unique but not truly different or anything. (yeah I'm aware that chilean guy draws lewd arts but just ignore that for now)

AR URF4 votes

I mean Riot has been known to reuse abilities. Just look at Anivia ult and Nunu ult from back then. Or Ashe Jinx Ezreal Draven ults. Or Fiddlesticks Kennen ults. Or Volibear Singed fling. OR Gnar Vayne Varus w.

The only unique ult that I can think of that hasn't been copied really is Poppy ult. It's just how riot works.

SuicidePlank1 votes

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I mean Riot has been known to reuse abilities. Just look at Anivia ult and Nunu ult from back then. Or Ashe Jinx Ezreal Draven ults. Or Fiddlesticks Kennen ults. Or Volibear Singed fling. OR Gnar Vayne Varus w.

The only unique ult that I can think of that hasn't been copied really is Poppy ult. It's just how riot works.

Gangplank R is unique.

rtbf2476264231 votes

i miss old gp

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Phieldworker3 votes

Have you read her abilities yet? Have you actually played Yummi yet? No? Then let’s stop crying till then.

Second I don’t think it’s a dying game. Last year maybe 3 friends played consistently. We now have a group large enough to make two full teams regularly. So I don’t think it’s a dying game.

DarkCaves3 votes

Maybe you're just wrong and spiteful?

mrmeddyman1 votes

My dude is so wrong but in denial lol

boricCentaur12 votes

Maybe you know look at the abilities before calling a champion lazy since she is very different from almost every champion in the game.

Colonel J2 votes

Persona sucks.

Jbels2 votes

Not sure why this got downvoted so badly. This new champion feels like a giant "We're not even trying anymore" slap in the face. I don't even care about the kit. The kit itself looks uninteresting, and the champion will only see play until it isn't broken by it's own numbers anymore. This was a huge dropped ball

rtbf2476264231 votes

it got downvoted because as you can see from the comments the majority of people on the boards worship riot for whatever reason.

Josh Sand2 votes

I agree that her design is pretty goddamn lazy. Look at how long it takes to fully explain everything that's in Akali's or Irelia's kits, then look at Yuumis - it all can fit on a single index card! WOW!

I'm pissed that support gets the shaft yet again with a basic ass champion. And I'm pissed that the last support before this was a fucking assassin that nobody asked for.

But good luck trying to make that argument here. All the fucking cat-licking, soy boi, Yuumi lovers are going to downvote this shit out of any post remotely critical of her. God forbid they look at the bigger picture.

LordRedStone Nr12 votes

"congratz you made a cat skin of lulu" According to this, it's a mashup of Lulu, Amumu, Rammus and Rakan. "Sooo, Yuumi's ult looks nothing new, rather copied from another champ" According to this, she has a Sona Ult as well. "Is Yuumi's kit inspired from a mere mobile game?" According to this, it's a hero called "Angela" from Mobile Legends. You say she's a mashup of Rakan (again), Kayle, Ekko and Zoe.

So who is right? All of you? That's 8 unique champions with Rakan named twice, and as a bonus a hero from another game. Then you would have to congratulate the designers because they were able to mash all these things together and still create something coherent in both lore and gameplay.

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