New Thornmail on PBE

Variks the Loyal·6/28/2017, 8:55:23 PM·40 votes·8,376 views

This version builds out of a new item, called Bramble Vest.

Bramble Vest Builds into Thornmail. Total Cost: 900g. Recipe: [Cloth Armor + Cloth Armor + G] Stats & Effects: +35 Armor. Unique Passive - Thorns: Upon being hit by a basic attack, reflects 25 magic damage, inflicting Grievous Wounds on the attacker for 1 second.

And Thornmail is being made more 'core'. It's build path has changed, and now it also has Health.

Thornmail Total cost 2900g Builds out of [Bramble Vest + Ruby Crystal + Warden's Mail + G] Stats & Effects: +250 Health +75 Armor Unique Passive - Thorns: Upon being hit by a basic attack, reflects magic damage equal to 10% of your bonus armor plus 25, inflicting Grievous Wounds on the attacker for 1 second. Unique Passive - Cold Steel: When hit by basic attacks, reduce attacker's attack speed by 15% for 1 second.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/06/628-pbe-update.html

Thoughts? I'm worried it'll compete too much with Randuin's Omen, since they both sport the Cold Steel passive. I'd imagine that Tanks would just build whichever of the two is stronger at the time, although, having Grievous Wounds makes Thornmail a pretty tempting buy.

152 Comments

DragonShea6/28/2017, 8:59:26 PM55 votes

Bad news: Cold Steel.

Go(o)d: News: Motherfuckin' Grevious Wounds. Fuck y'all's lifesteal.

Ralanr6/28/2017, 9:32:38 PM25 votes

It shouldn't have cold steel. Replace Wardens with chain vest.

Otherwise I do like it. Not sure it's exactly healthy, but it means I don't have to rely on my adc to buy GW TO FIGHT THE SUSTAINERS

Spice POWAH6/28/2017, 10:27:31 PM19 votes

I'm worried it'll compete too much with Randuin's Omen,

Alternatively, build both of them as a big middle finger to the enemy ADC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB5FoYWWsAA07M4.jpg

MagikarpIsBoss6/29/2017, 12:32:57 AM9 votes

Is it just me or does the Cold Steel passive make no sense? Why would you want to give someone lower attackspeed on an item where you do damage to them through attacks? Or is it just an all purpose "fuck anyone who autos" type of thing where they have lower attack speed, damaged dealt to them, and some gw.

zxinferxz6/28/2017, 9:29:09 PM9 votes

DrMundo : Now Mundo grievous wounds YOU! Mundo doesn't care about enemies building this against him, merely because literally everyone and their mom builds GW against him, so it's actually amazing to finally know that he might, possibly, have a good source of GW, such a good one, even, that a max Burning Agony build might be viable again

Weeb Guardian6/28/2017, 10:32:20 PM9 votes

No please, not the cold steel Anything but the cold steel

The lower armor alone already is an indirect rammus nerf, let alone adding cold steel effect, how will i make ppl commit suicide on rammus now?

Please don't nerf my baby

FeelsBadMan

General Esdeath 6/29/2017, 5:49:55 PM5 votes

THANK GOD THEY'RE FINALLY ADDING GW

Jo0o6/28/2017, 9:00:34 PM5 votes

Oh my god. This is a dream.

Not overpowering on its own, but nicely updating Thornmail to be relevant and powerful. The fact that the current iteration sucks against lifesteal and true damage made me almost never find a good time to buy it, but health and REFLECTIVE GRIEVOUS WOUNDS is juicy as fuck.

KoKoboto6/28/2017, 10:58:07 PM5 votes

The reason it has cold steel is so people are not as tempted to go and buy thornmail along with randuins. I'm still gonna buy the two though. 15% A/S slow is honestly garbage.

Monstrous Yi6/29/2017, 1:16:03 PM4 votes

This will shit on Master Yi not to mention more buffs to movement speed items, everyone runs faster than his highlander with just tier 1 boots.

Luminier6/29/2017, 2:53:50 AM3 votes

Aatrox Good fucking bye. I have never seen a more blatant counter item

hhaavviikk6/29/2017, 6:37:09 AM3 votes

I'd rather they just nerf lifesteal isntead of nerfing lifesteal dependant champions just because ADC's are OP with lifesteal

Profirix6/29/2017, 4:00:57 PM3 votes

Randuins specifically counters crit, thornmail is more useful against bork-attack speed runners like vayne

FireDrizzle6/28/2017, 10:33:25 PM3 votes

{quoted} Thornmail Total cost 2900g Builds out of [Bramble Vest + Ruby Crystal + Warden's Mail + G] Stats & Effects: +250 Health +75 Armor

these stats are weak,

item 3742 425 hp 60 armour

despite the price increasing. At 2900 gold it should have more armour. 250 hp instead of 25 armour is an improvement but the item is costing an extra 550 gold. It has cold steel and greivous wounds but a weaker passive. It is actually better for full build because thornmail passive is countered by items late anyway and it stops adcs draintanking somewhat.

I would prefer the item was more expensive and gave a really large amount of armour and no hp so it was an item for vs full ad/ when enemies ap is no threat. There are only 2 other items that give armour with no mr or hp.

Darius Strada6/28/2017, 10:41:21 PM2 votes

Randuin for crits. Thornmail for sustain enemies.

Bultz6/28/2017, 11:21:20 PM1 votes

It's a bit much for one item damn and on that it's cheap and it will still only be used by rammus.