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Could we remove normal MMR and just equal it to your ranked MMR?

Ur little sister··1 votes·1,306 views

I'm a diamond EUW player with a dilemma. I can't play a lot anymore due to life n stuff. Now I find picking up new champions to be ridiculously hard, especially if they're any team oriented type champion.

Here's the thing, I don't have the time (anymore) to put hours upon hours into gaming. So I can't play ranked AND have a normal MMR that's anywhere near my ranked MMR. This is the dumbest thing ever when picking up roles/champions outside of my comfort zone, because there's no learning involved when you're playing with and against people that are 2/3 tiers below you. The only way I've really found to pick up new champions is to just pick them in ranked and pretend I know what I'm doing.

I just feel like I can't play soloQ normals. Because it's literally not fun to stomp or get stomped depending on luck because matchmaking doesn't know what to do with people who don't play that specific mode (even though it's the same mode as ranked games). But I don't know how fair it is to my teams in ranked to just literally play ranked games as chill learning games (which I kinda have to do right now :/)

What is you guys' opinion on the matter? Are there maybe some custom groups that deal with this issue? (I'm thinking along the lines of the Platinum vs Silver groups, but then one for people on my situation? :/)

13 Comments

DaejinTye2 votes

I could see this, the only problem I have about it, is the people who rarely or never play ranked will get screwed.

My friend just did his 10 placement matches just so he could get a border for the first time this season... He's S5 after placements and never plans to play ranked again... It'd be stupid if he was stuck with Silver level players while he himself is easily at the skill level of Gold-Platinum.

The only thing I can say is... Stick to 1 mode or another. Maybe do ranked until season rewards then focus the entire off-season to getting your normals MMR up.

Ur little sister1 votes

I can see that, but the way it is now I feel like the people who never play normals (like me) get screwed over. Essentially right now, if you only play one mode (even though there are like 3 separate MMR values for 5v5 soloQ Summoner's Rift matches), then the other modes are never going to be fun.

Maybe a better solution would be to make your ranked MMR a bottom cap on your normal MMR? That way people who don't want to play ranked can still rank up whatever way they want, and people who don't play normals don't get "stuck" in ranked for everything.

Right now, if I try normals for anything non serious, I'm a diamond player who's "stuck" with silvers and golds. Which, as you said, does feel pretty stupid. One think I don't feel like doing is playing roughly 100-150 games off-season for a mode that I'm not interested in playing outside of learning new champs.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I thought his point would include normal games affecting your MMR too? So all your normal games leading up to level 30 would have a say in what level you start playing your placement matches and your MMR is shared between the two modes and improves/worsens accordingly.

The problem of course is if you want to play normals to mess around, have fun on random champions or with random builds. If you're matched at your ranked skill level you'll lose a lot, lowering your MMR, thereby lowering your LP gains and increasing LP losses in ranked because your MMR doesn't match your division.

Basically, I see why they're different and also see why some people would benefit from them being the same. So why not allow a player to hit a key that says "please reset my normal MMR to my ranked MMR" (not the opposite direction ever) and that would make everyone happy?

DaejinTye1 votes

I would never agree to have your normal matches affect your ranked MMR in any way, shape or form. However, being closer to your skill level in normals for the people who only play ranked or like the OP, I could see potentially working.

It'd have to be played around with and tested thoroughly.

Ur little sister1 votes

Yeah, the latter is essentially what I'm asking for. For a way to increase my normal MMR up to my ranked MMR without playing normals for 150 games. Cause 150 normal games is like 90 hours ish. Ain't nobody got time for dat!

Matthias91191 votes

Basically, I see why they're different and also see why some people would benefit from them being the same. So why not allow a player to hit a key that says "please reset my normal MMR to my ranked MMR" (not the opposite direction ever) and that would make everyone happy?

I could see that being useful. But it has to be a one-way thing -- otherwise people can go back to "easy mode" to stomp people on demand.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

its not stupid because he will just learn to play better lol becomes less and less of the for fun game and becomes a competetive game

DaejinTye2 votes

I could see it placing a hard-cap bottom on the MMR...Would be interesting.

VocaIoid Miku1 votes

not to me because I have play rank for a long time and when i reach my goal,I just want some relax time. It will be too much pressure if you play so hard in each game.

Matthias91191 votes

OP, some practical things you can try:

  • Team Builder. It takes into account your experience with roles/champs, so (in theory at least) it should give you fairer games both when you're learning and when you're on a champ/role you are already good with. Eventually.

  • A smurf can get to high MMR in Normal matches much faster than a L30 account that's already played hundreds of matches. If you create a new account, pick the "I'm really experienced" option, and do really well, you'll be up against nothing but other high-skill smurfs in no time.

Ur little sister1 votes

I tried option 1 for a decent amount of games. Literally challengers and unrankeds in the same game. The system seems about the same as normals when it's full soloQ (silver-diamond range games), and then the abundance of 3-4 man premades just makes the matchmaking system go nuts in my experience :/. It's about as balanced as pre-30 games.

About smurfs... Getting to 30 takes a lot of damn time unless you want to pay money on boosters :/. Not to mention the time it takes to actually unlock all the freaking champions and runes you want o.O. The only option that I see there that wouldn't take way too much time would be buying an account illegally. But yeah... Even though it seems like the best option, I'm not jumping to go ahead and do that -.-

Matthias91191 votes

There's only so much Riot can do about high-skill-difference premades in Normal matches. Making your own premade helps.

My suggestion was to start playing PvP matches immediately on the smurf, not to level it up to 30 first! If your Normal MMR is really low on your main, a high-MMR smurf at level 10-15 may still get you much fairer matches. This is a little tough if you want to practice jungling, but you can still get a feel for new champions you want to practice.

Quepha1 votes

throw normal games play ranked get matched against bronzies KATARINA PENTAKILL YOU HAVE PASSED YOUR PROMOTIONAL SERIES

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