To any rioter that will listen.

WindLord7070·10/17/2018, 7:29:03 PM·5 votes·4,533 views

Since preseason is coming up I think this would be the prefect time to finally try some changes for lane nidalee. I want to talk about a few changes that could be made to nidalee to help her lane without affecting her jungle too hard. First I want to say I am not asking for jungle nidalee to be removed from the game. This is probably going to turn out as a wall of text and I apologize but this is something I feel very passionately about and I thank you for reading it.

I'll try to keep this listed so that the farther down it goes the more work/stronger the changes are.

  1. Making her traps not proc from lane minions. This change doesn't give her a massive power spike in lane but it does open up more chances to trade which currently she really lacks and is one of the huge reasons why she can't lane well. It's also something that is easy enough to play around. Maybe change her traps so they aren't invisible anymore. This would not give jungle nidalee any power really as she wouldn't be able to just walk in lane and throw a trap down during a gank or even pre place one within a minion wave anyway.

  2. Reducing her mana costs. This is another thing that really hurts her in lane. She can't sustain or throw enough spears to even try to land one. This wouldn't affect jungle nidalee that much due to the amount of mana options she has in the jungle anyway. Even her first clear you rarely run out of mana unless you just don't know what you are doing. this could also slightly reduce the gap in abusive nidalee players and ones just playing her randomly since good nidalee players aren't using a ton of mana anyway.

  3. Refund mana with Human Q when killing a lane minion. Any kind of refund would be a huge help for lane nidalee whether its full or half or whatever number you would decide. This one is pretty straight forward in how it helps farming. And there really isn't anyway for it to be abused as a jungler.

  4. Buffing her attack speed slightly. This helps top nidalee more than mid but it still will help them both farm easier/safer. this could be slightly more powerful on jungle nidalee than one might expect but she also lost the attack speed from the jungle item change awhile ago.

Now I'll talk about some bigger changes that could be made.

  1. Changing her from a power farming monster to being more focused around counter jungling. This would be something like reducing her damage to jungle camps and just buffing her damage in general. This clearly helps lane nidalee since she would gain actual damage in lane. And for jungle it creates a more clear playstyle with strengths and weaknesses. This one will probably be pretty controversial and I understand that. As someone who has seen their own main champion have a change in gameplay.

  2. This last one I'm going to talk about would require the most amount of work by far and I don't even know if riot could do it as I don't know anything about coding and what not. Giving her 2 very clear ways of balancing both Lane nidalee and jungle nidalee separately. The idea here is to give her some type of condition that needs to be met to change the way her abilities work. Similar to kayn. You could at the start of the gave have the player choose between two different "adaptations". Jungle adapt and Lane adapt.

Jungle adapt would make it so her passive works the way it currently does and lets her passive apply to monsters. This way no matter what changes you make to the other she has to pick the jungle one if she wants to jungle.

Lane adapt could have any number of things. Any of the things mentioned above. Auto resets back/lowered Cds/Buffed heal/buffed damage. Maybe even reduce her damage to monsters until level 6 to make sure jungle nidalee never takes this adaptation.

This would also keep in line with her "theme" since some people don't like things "breaking lore"

The condition could also be something else. An example would be having nidalee as she currently is but if she farms X amount of lane minions before killing any jungle camps she would adapt to lane.

Sorry for the wall of text but thank you for reading.

5 Comments

SwiftKitten8810/17/2018, 8:23:32 PM2 votes

i appreciate your looking into love for my main.. however with years of having to come up with the best ways to change her, i dont think what you suggest is the best way to do it.

the two thing that prevent nidalee from effectively laning where the removal of the full pounce reset (and by full i mean 70% at all levels) currently it is 40/50/60/70 per lvl of ultimate

this was changed becuase how she could clear raptors and or wolves at lvl 1 which was deemed too fast of a clear ( which ironically Kayn does now, but thier fine with him doing it...)

what i think should be done is ONLY increment the reset when pouncing to a hunted jungle camp. this would keep the issue of her clear the same, but allow her to lane again. and keep the pouncing to a hunted champion or killing a unit with pounce (which since patch 1.0.0 has always been there no one seems to even remember that it resets when u kill a unit with pounce

the other part that killed her lane was imot the stupidest change in the world, and that was the removal of her % hp damage on traps she got after her 4.10 rework

if we revert that back to 8% + 2% per 100AP it would allow her to lane again

i would also revert her kitty cooldowns back to 5 seconds from 6 which they were at for the first 7 years of her existence and were changed needlessly for not reason.

i do not belive any of these changes would break her. ( i only suspect a 1-2% winrate increase) which i believe she can safely get


but to go over your specific points i will tell you why i dissagree

  1. that is what makes Caitlyn traps so opressibly annoying for defend or siegeing.

the issue with nid traps is they do NOTHING, even if a person steped on them it wouldnt matter, and it would matter less if they were in the middle of minions becuase takedown for some inexplicable reason wont prioritze hunted targets and still attacks the closest unit

  1. this isnt the way to do it. the issue with hr mana costs appeared when they made kitty skills no longer generate stacks of item 3070 , as that was her core item seasons 1-6 until they made it no longer work, all they would need to do to fix her mana would to make kitty skills cost 0.1 mana and that woudl fix her ability to not stack tear like she always could do

3 nidalee is never going to be a mid lane again.. im sorry, its just nmot happening, her Q donest need a mana reset, like i saif fixing item 3070 to work with her again would fix that. Zoe does everyone nid did in lane better safer and easier, if nidalee was to lane again , it would be as a support or as a AD hybrid top

4 and 5... no.. also... nidalee HAS NO LORE..

literal;y its just "her parents were exploring the jungle and tey died and nid absorbed the raw magic of the jungle and was raised by cats.

her lore is disgracefully outdated

Resolution10/17/2018, 8:06:45 PM1 votes

Nidalees still a champion? Haven't seen her outside Aram in roughly a year now.

Death by Glamour10/17/2018, 10:05:16 PM1 votes

lane elise aswell pls