@RiotAugust About the possibility of returning nidalee to lane

WindLord7070··3 votes·806 views

I wanted to make a board post for us to discuss in more detail what was talked about on twitter. AD TOP LANE The initial tweet was specifically about top lane AD nidalee and that is what I personally am most familiar with and would like to see come back. I don't think she needs too much. Giving her back her auto attack resets would go a very long way in helping her and if there was only one possible change that could happen it would be this. (this also helps midalee but to a lesser extent) Some other suggestions I have are to buff her Ad portion on her cougar form Q and also to change the damage it deals to physical with the same way adaptive stats work. This lets her have more items to build while making it much easier and less frustrating to build defensive items against.

MIDALEE The options here for changes are much harder to look at due to pretty much any AP buffs also being buffs to jungle nidalee. The 2 suggestions I have that I don't think would be a huge impact on over powering jungle nidalee are to make it so her traps don't proc from lane creeps and to make her spears not hit lane creeps anymore either.

JUNGLE

Now before any changes at all are made to nidalee I feel she would need some way to adjust ONLY her power in the jungle. The suggestion I have to do this is to add damage modifiers to her abilities specifically for jungle camps. Something like "Takedown deals X damage and is capped at X on jungle monsters" or deals a increased or reduced % of the damage to jungle monsters. I believe there are some abilities in the game that work like this already. I know rumbles flame spitter deals 75% damage to minions off the top of my head it's the same idea. I also feel this would allow her to have her cat form CDs reduced again which would help her out in top/mid and jungle. especially pounce as she used to be one of the most mobile champions in the game but not so much anymore.

An example of what I mean is if you buff nidalee in top and mid lane as ad and ap and one of the changes ends up making her to strong in the jungle like she has been in the past instead of just nerfing her across the board you can nerf (or even buff if she's to weak in the jungle) just her jungle without harming her in lane.

Lets say jungle nidalees clear speed is 3 minutes for a full clear. Now lets say we give her back the auto resets and this makes her clear 2 minutes and 50 seconds. The idea is that she would have damage modifiers on her abilities to adjust for just jungle camps. So if 2 minutes and 50 seconds is considered too fast they could reduce her damage slightly to JUST jungle camps to the point that it would take her 3 minutes again. This would not harm her lane in any way.

I hope we can discuss this more and I'm really excited at the possibility of finally being able to play nidalee top again. Honestly thank you for even considering buffs for lane nidalee and taking time out of your day to talk to us about it.

TL:DR

AD top nid - auto resets midalee - traps not proccing on minons Jungle - neutral monster damage modifiers

Lets try to keep this discussion on how to fix nidalee

11 Comments

The Minion hunt2 votes

player her into aurion sol.

WindLord70701 votes

I don't think picking her into a single champion is a good solution. The goal is to make her a viable pick not just a counter to a single champion.

HeresyHorus1 votes

No, transformers with +6 abilities are toxic in lane against normal champs when they are not shit.

They have too much to play with.

Still waiting for Gnar Kled Jayce to receive the same gutting Elise received for the same reason.

SILVER ELO GOD1 votes

Yeah with one major difference - Nidalee has 0 CC and is garbage in teamfights. Take that bs argument elsewhere. She is a dueling splitpusher that's it. Even when she was broken top she was way way easier to shut down than a jayce/gnar.

WindLord70702 votes

Yea top nidalee has always had the weakness of being very easy to kill once the enemy gets on top of her even if she is building tanky. I think most of the time when people remember being frustrated playing vs her it's because they aren't used to or don't yet know how to deal with ranged champions top. Also the fact that they changed her Q to deal magic damage made it harder to just build armor and and itemize against her because she would still do alot of magic damage.

SILVER ELO GOD1 votes

I know it might sound stupid, but I would love if Swipe had no cast time or if it didn't interrupt movement and had a way faster animation. Also moving her damage from Pounce to Swipe so she doesn't have to jump in the minion wave to clear it, and giving her the old Pounce reset so she can duel tricky mages and reducing swipe's cooldown so she doesn't feel slower or weird in the jungle. Imagine it as casting swipe mid pounce to reset it instead of just pounce.

I would appreciate any input on this or why it would be wrong.

WindLord70701 votes

If the solution thats reached for buffing midalee is better wave clear maybe instead they could just make swipe deal increased damage to creeps so that it wouldn't have any affect on jungle nidalee. Though even then I think another big problem is that even if you can lane safety and farm up in mid lane it won't matter if her late game is still bad. Maybe we could look at ways at making her more dominate in lane vs her opponents.

SILVER ELO GOD1 votes

I meant as in pounce dealing 0 damage and being strictly a dueling tool. Swipe has some good range too and moving all the damage there would make Mid nidalee a thing too. But not without changes to how swipe works ( being able to cast it during pounce or any movement and having a much faster animation, slightly lower cooldown so it doesn't hurt jungle nidalee).

Sagee Prime1 votes

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If the solution thats reached for buffing midalee is better wave clear maybe instead they could just make swipe deal increased damage to creeps so that it wouldn't have any affect on jungle nidalee. Though even then I think another big problem is that even if you can lane safety and farm up in mid lane it won't matter if her late game is still bad. Maybe we could look at ways at making her more dominate in lane vs her opponents.

I don't see her having good wave clear without having something akin to an AP scaling attack buff similar to nashors tooth passive or another odd idea that would probably make her too good at poking but say a partial cooldown and mana refund when she kills targets with Javelin toss and a partial mana refund when it merely hits a target(the greater refund being on kill) Cougar is already good for wave clear but you're more likely to lose half if not more hp doing so when vs another champion mid

WindLord70701 votes

This is why I'm thinking wave clear isn't the solution. When building AP she can already clear the wave easily but its risky kind of like leblanc or fizz clearing with their respective engage tools. I'm thinking we give her better ways to fight her lane opponent. Either by buffing her spears so they go through minions or maybe increasing the speed of them again. These both would make it much easier for jungle nidalee to gank however. The other thing I could see them doing is making traps not proc on creeps so that you could place down traps in lane and engage off of those instead of being heavily reliant on spears which are extremely hard to land in lane.

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