Nerf Illaoi into the Ground

EggWhitesNGravy·Feb 10, 2018·9 votes·929 views

Just played a game against top. I was told that ranged champions do well against her, so I went (I know shes not near meta or anything good right now, but the most comfortable top laning ranged champion in my arsenal) I dodge skill shot after skill shot after procking her w pass so that I got the extra movement speed. I did well until 's first back. (Couldn't stop her from cs'ing because she has great wave clear). She ends up rushing and . I'm practically useless to poke her now, so I choose to cs instead. I back knowing that I would need sustain in this lane to buy items towards a because that item is supposed to work well against armor. Time goes on, i get hit by maybe two q's but I have sustain. Finally around the 6 minute mark, she hits me with her soul rip. Can't dodge em all. Second time it happened but I pushed her out from it the first time. This time however, I was being pushed out, I tried to run out of range of the soul, but by the time I reached the edge I was at ~20% hp. Then it happens. R comes raining down. I got hit by 1 skill shot at 95% hp, and died. Dead. Kaput. Because I couldn't dodge every skill shot. Lane crumbles from there since she can just w me with no repercussions. She takes no damage from my disengage because she can heal it up with 1 tentacle. My roam is lackluster because built as well. Here is where you comment, "play , play a tank that can cc, she hates cc, play , he can kite." That's when I rebuttal, " was banned, tank's don't actually do enough damage to her to out trade her, cc is great but yea, no damage, is cool, but if you get caught in squishy form it sucks, and if you try to engage on her, she ult's and as you know, she does twice the damage in half the time that you can." Riot. Why can't I play champions against a champion that does not strictly counter me? Why does get free Kleptomancy hits off of her e? Why can an ADC justify buying ? Shouldn't a champion that is strictly meant for damage be able to do some damage? Why are tanks allowed to do equal if not more damage than that of someone who has nothing else but damage? I want these questions answered. Sorry for the rant Riot.

tldr; Nerf into the ground

12 Comments

JamareeFeb 10, 20186 votes

You are playing Quinn, literally any top laner could have done the same of making you useless with those items. Side note, yeah, she does damage...you built no defenses at all, you expect to tank her?

Seriously man, your argument is literally "Nerf her into the ground because I lost to her, I mean, ignore the fact I built no defenses, it is my first time playing this champion so I don't fully understand what I'm doing, and me dying to her is only because she is OP, not that I might not be all that good."

EggWhitesNGravyFeb 10, 20182 votes

Since when does Quinn build defensive items? I literally only told you, 1 item, yet you assume I didn't build things like phantom dancer, a basic defensive offensive item. Literally any right click champion gets countered by ninja tabi and bramble vest, of course they wouldn't do damage. Don't tell me to build pen items, because that's when armor is its strongest.

JamareeFeb 10, 20182 votes

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Since when does Quinn build defensive items?

GA is a viable first buy.

I literally only told you, 1 item, yet you assume I didn't build things like phantom dancer, a basic defensive offensive item. Literally any right click champion gets countered by ninja tabi and bramble vest, of course they wouldn't do damage.

Which I doubt was your first item, and 12% isn't that much when you have no defenses to go along with it.

Don't tell me to build pen items, because that's when armor is its strongest.

Why not, you are Quinn, you are one of the few ADCs that can afford to go pure pen with items like duskblade.

EggWhitesNGravyFeb 10, 20181 votes

GA first buy, laughable. Defensive? Sure, but how do you avoid dying the second time? Again, Quinn does not build "defenses." Again, Armor is strongest against pen items. I was literally building for laning phase, and died at 6 minutes because of 1 skill shot. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance as in, Illaoi is one of many champions that needs nerfing, as per, the rest of my rant and questions. Illaoi on her own is ridiculous that destroys many other melee top laners. And in this instance, I died, not because of lack of skill, (that's why Riot does matchmaking, so that I get placed equally skilled players) but because inabillity to do the one thing that champion is good at. I'm done arguing with you. You're not providing any solid ideas as to why this atrocity occurred.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 10, 20183 votes

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GA first buy, laughable. Defensive? Sure, but how do you avoid dying the second time? Again, Quinn does not build "defenses." Again, Armor is strongest against pen items. I was literally building for laning phase, and died at 6 minutes because of 1 skill shot. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance as in, Illaoi is one of many champions that needs nerfing, as per, the rest of my rant and questions. Illaoi on her own is ridiculous that destroys many other melee top laners. And in this instance, I died, not because of lack of skill, (that's why Riot does matchmaking, so that I get placed equally skilled players) but because inabillity to do the one thing that champion is good at. I'm done arguing with you. You're not providing any solid ideas as to why this atrocity occurred.

"i lost to X champion please nerf her to the ground!" that is your entire argument. You were building for the laning phase and guess what? so was she and her build beats yours since you had no pen items whatsoever against her armor ones. No defensive items and complaining that someone was doing damage to you. You have no room to complain at all. Quinn's best items are lethality items yet "armor is strongest against them" it's not like you can also get a Last Whisper item when she gets too much armor... your job isn't to deal with Illaoi as a Quinn but to go and assassinate the squishy members of the enemy team.

So you built poorly, didn't do anything of value and came here complaining because Illaoi beat you and just because of that you want her nerfed to the ground? sorry but no, learn what a champion does and is supposed to do and what he is supposed to build before complaining about a champion that build properly and outplayed you

EggWhitesNGravyFeb 10, 20181 votes

I appreciate your input over the other guy's. To you, I can admit, I see my mistakes. I should have ignored her, and went straight to roaming. My tunnel visioned top laning mind got the better of me. My ... ulterior motive, I guess was to figure out how to beat her. But it's not about how to beat her but the rest of her team. (still leaves me asking, can no on beat her in an even match?) But thank you, I understand.

JamareeFeb 10, 20181 votes

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My ... ulterior motive, I guess was to figure out how to beat her. But it's not about how to beat her but the rest of her team.

Why didn't you say so besides blindly qqing?

(still leaves me asking, can no on beat her in an even match?)

In a case of just an outright one vs one brawl, probably not. She loses to kiting and long range poke and champions like Vlad and Gnar can harass her from a distant and not get into the brawl she wants from them.

JamareeFeb 10, 20181 votes

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GA first buy, laughable. Defensive? Sure, but how do you avoid dying the second time? Again, Quinn does not build "defenses."

By killing her.

Again, Armor is strongest against pen items.

...I...I don't even know where to begin with this one. It is literally called ARMOR....PEN, the stat itself LITERALLY says in the title that is PENETRATES...ARMOR. Like...what?

I was literally building for laning phase, and died at 6 minutes because of 1 skill shot. Ignorance is not bliss.

It isn't a one shot skill, it does a decent chunk to squishy champions yeah, but so does just about every brusier that isn't shit.

Ignorance as in, Illaoi is one of many champions that needs nerfing, as per, the rest of my rant and questions.

You haven't really build a platform for why she needs nerfing besides "I lost to her, thus she must be OP."

Illaoi on her own is ridiculous that destroys many other melee top laners.

So does Teemo, we need to nerf him too?

And in this instance, I died, not because of lack of skill, (that's why Riot does matchmaking, so that I get placed equally skilled players) but because inabillity to do the one thing that champion is good at.

The fact her skillshot hit you kind of proves otherwise. Had you dodged her SKILLshots, her damage is literally null. Besides her slam, which does nothing without another tentacle to hit, and her ulti, which you shouldn't be fighting in anyway especially since you are ranged.

I'm done arguing with you. You're not providing any solid ideas as to why this atrocity occurred.

Neither are you besides anecdotal evidence of a single game where you clearly don't know what you are talking about especially since you think armor beats armor pen items.

EggWhitesNGravyFeb 10, 20181 votes

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JamareeFeb 10, 20182 votes

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Sorry, I can't argue with blind ignorance.

Says the guy who's entire argument is "I lost to this champion, nerf her into the ground."

AzadetheFeb 10, 20181 votes

I wish people would argue intelligent conversations about the topic rather than referring to memes.

Illaoi has a different perception from people who play against her vs people who play other lanes.

Top Laner: She's oppressive as hell after her first back, because Test's cooldown becomes VERY low, and you literally encounter it 3-4 times a minute, and she only has to hit once. Her scaling early game is insane too, so if she hits, she's going to at least disable you for a full ~ 15-20 seconds of the lane and require you to recall and waste another 45.

The Vessel Duration reduction from attacking Illaoi isn't really that useable either; By attacking her, you commit to taking each Slam twice, because she will hit both you and your vessel. So your choice is to either try to fight her from an angle where she can't hit both you and your Vessel, or to run. If you run, you're going to waste an entire wave of minions trying to kill her tentacles while not getting hit by them. By the time you're back, she has Test up and ready to hit you again.

It's a really depressing lane phase, and usually a jungler can't help you, because doing so will kill them instead. So they avoid and abandon the lane, hoping to carry bot or mid, while you very likely might be losing what feels like a 2V1 perma fight bot.

There's not many top laners who can really fight Illaoi directly either, because doing so means killing her tentacles. Since most of them are melee, if they try to kill tentacles, it's a choreographed fight, and the melee will likely lose. So.... the melee just "tries to defend" the turret. In reality they still are unlikely to win, so they stay back, and Illaoi gets a free lane. (I've had a Trundle top literally feed her all 3 turrets in about 10 minutes of game, because he just couldn't find an opening so he stepped back and watched).

Other lane perspective of Illaoi: We can team her, cc her and then her ult is worthless. They rarely ever even encounter her, because when they do, it's as a team and she pretty much can't sustain all that, especially vs cc and grievous wounds.

I commonly Nami or something like it to stop Illaoi tops, but that doesn't mean that Illaoi didn't just 100% dominate top lane until i could manage to leave bot. I've never actually seen an Illaoi lose lane unless she was inting.

TakaDamaFeb 10, 20181 votes

As someone who somehow got to Mastery 6 Illaoi recently, I feel you on your grievances. However your best bet is an AS or AA-Reset based champion to deal with tentacles and apply pressure on her (hint Nasus gets stacks off of tentacles); that or mobility and CC that can also do damage at some point. Or both, as Vayne is a nightmare against any juggernaut (though a risky top lane pick).

My latest game I wound up doing decently at the beginning but jungle Warwick and top Urgot kept me pinned once teamfights started.