Let add it to Dominion, Twisted Treeline, and Summoner Rift.
I mean if Mark/Dash is doing it job of making other champs besides the OP "meta" champs better, then let add this spell to all the games modes so they too can be more diversified and balance.
I for one will love to see all the new champs being picked for LCS when this spell is added into Summoner Rift.
Let me tell you all the champs I own
Angry Monster4 voteswhy are you so mad? You ARAM players are always going off on how its supposed to be a casual mode.
lightdragoon884 votesCause our game was ruin.
And if you can't see or understand it, then let put the item on the modes you play and see how it effects you.
Angry Monster2 votesBut it was a casual, thing right? I mean how do you ruin something you are doing for fun? Its just a different type of fun?
Sry but i do not play just to have fun, I play to win. I stay out of your mode cause of your guys i can do what ever i want cause its fun attitude. Plus riot changes SR every year so i am not sure why you think we are immune to riot changes. You are acting like people are never upset by the changes riot has made before.
Now having an account with only 10 champs is not viable.
lightdragoon882 votesAh but think of the games you can win in rank with Mark/Dash now.
Icestar11863 votesI don't see how mark/dash ruins ARAM. It makes melee champs usable, it lets tanks initiate, and it gives poke champions a weakness. While it may be a bit strong, Riot will be able to balance it, and now, Nidalee is no longer an instant win and Udyr is no longer an instant loss.
lightdragoon881 votesMelee champs were always useable.
and for instance are some of the best champs to have on ARAM, especially if the enemy team were all squishy champs with no stuns.
Tanks always have a way of initiating. How do you think tanks initiate on SR? With their spells and/or 
. Both of which are on ARAM.
Nidalee is never an instant win and Udyr is never an instant loss.
Akeydel4 votesAnd while we're at it, in ARAM, we can just add the ability to walk out into air. Maybe add monsters to fight in the sky, so you can get more gold and experience! I'm thinking mostly small monsters, but two bigs ones that you REALLY want to get, (y'know for diversity) There could even be two other bridges!
I think this would definitely make ARAM more competitive, serious and most importantly BALANCED.
lightdragoon883 votesYes. Perfect idea.
Upvote.
Swollwonder3 votesThe amount of abuse is unreal
It would change the meta in an interesting way. In a good way? Not sure about that. Neutral vote.
lightdragoon882 votesBut think of the changes it can bring.
jungle can be a thing again. She can fire it from the tri-bush to the enemy ADC, get right on top of them for a guarantee Q, or E thus allowing her to save her ult for their flash.
Or we can have Galio back in the LCS cause he can have a 20 second cooldown super flash for his team changing ult?
Or bush trapping at baron/dragon can no longer be a thing cause you can keep throwing snowballs all the way from the lanes into the bushes.
MalzaharAnyLane3 votesDominion's meta has been broken for a long time, not only from inattention but the inability to prevent altar backdooring since release. It is the definition of mobility creep abuse.
TT has always been Autolose If You Don't Pick A Bruiser Or A Tank Buster. Bruisers only, final destination, Teemo is OP since the rework since you can't sweep for shrooms with wards.
Mark/Dash isn't going to appear on SR, but if it did, it would be awesome to abuse it to kill ward hoppers and people who like to blink over walls like Ezreal, Zed, or Tryndamere.
In a game mode where positioning was basically nonexistent anyway, you shouldn't be surprised that it's even more irrelevant. SR at least has enough room to dodge a slow ass skillshot. Your main problem is that ARAM's lane isn't wide enough to let you dodge.
Destaice3 votesIt's only on ARAM for a reason. That reason being that melees are at massive disadvantage to ranged poke.
Summoner's rift is different. If you go Malphite top you wont have to worry about a Nidalee, Lux, Ezreal, Jayce, and Ashe poking your healthbar off if you so much as look too closely at the CS. All while they're maintaining the same level.
You get the point now? This just makes it so people who get Shyvana or Udyr on ARAM can at least have a form of poke and a reliable engagement tool to boot.
lightdragoon881 votesMelee champs aren't being used on SR either?
It all tanks right now. When the last time you saw Yi or Fiora in SR?
Akeydel3 votestoday.
lightdragoon882 votesReally? That is impressive.
Oh..and you use Malzahar too. Upvote for you (he one of my favorite champs to play)
Icestar11861 votesSaw both today
MiniJunkie3 votesHis point is Riot would never do that to a permanent mode, so why did they do it to ARAM?
I have almost all the champs. I don't stack the deck. I get Udyr plenty. I still think this change was a brain-dead move.
There are only a few melee champs that have a truly tough time on ARAM: Udyr, maybe Olaf and Tryn?
Rather than wreck the mode for the sake of a few difficult champs, maybe give more rerolls or something?
Other melee champs are fine, and can often kick serious butt.
Hell, do something about Sona buffing her whole team constantly on ARAM rather than breaking the darn mode like this.
Borfin2 votesServes your ARAM only account right
you deck stacking prick
Pucking Purrfect2 votesCry more please.
Thank God Mark/Dash spell balanced Aram for melee champs. When cry babies like you get ranged champs what they just do is hug the turret and poke the melee champs to death that's not fair at all. If Riot nerfs or takes this spell off Aram will go back to its boring mood which people dodge 24/7 if they don't get a poke champ. I hope Riot won't take serious these butthurt ''REMOVE MARK/DASH SPELL'' threads because it is the only thing that makes the map fun for melee champs.
lightdragoon882 votesIt doesn't balance melee champs.
It just gives range poke champs even more poke.
Pucking Purrfect1 votesStop whining then. I'm pretty sure only minority of Aram players want to get rid off Mark/Dash spell because they can't ruin others' fun with their only Aram accounts that are stacked with poke champs.
lightdragoon882 votesHehehehehehehe.
Then I restate, if you (someone who barely even plays ARAM) think the item is so great, then let put Mark/Dash in all the game modes.
Icestar11861 votesWhat, your favorite part of the game is "ruined" so you want to ruin it for everyone else? It's not a question over whether it would be broken on SR, TT, or Dominion. Melee champions are much more balanced there, and having such a strong engage tool in an environment where they are ALREADY VIABLE would be gamebreaking. Nobody is questioning that. However, against high-poke champions on Howling Abyss, it is very hard for a melee champion to engage without taking so much poke that it is suicidal.
Icestar11861 votesRanged champs don't take mark/dash because they have no reason to use it. What hurts more, a spear or a snowball?
lightdragoon883 votes......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
**EVERYONE **takesSnowball on ARAM now. The spell outranges **EVERYTHING **outside of ults. Ranged champs take it to poke just as much as melee/tanks take it to poke.
Icestar11861 votesThe range is the ONLY useful part of it and you are lucky to hit what you wanted to anyway.
Trylobyte2 votesDoes the spell need tweaks? Probably. Does the spell need to be removed? Naaaaah. It just needs to reward commitment to a fight rather than being a poke spell on a poke-heavy map. I will say, though, that I wish Riot did this a few months ago - There's so much salt over it we could've used it to de-ice the roads.
lightdragoon881 votesIf the spell range is reduced by half and the cooldown goes to at least 60 seconds, I will be perfectly fine with that.
The way the spell is now....I don't even want to see the mode.
Kariu Rena1 votesQQ my aram only account is ruined :'<
lightdragoon881 votes[{quoted}](name=Kariu Rena,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ygngu0g3,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-05-03T04:37:50.832+0000)
QQ my aram only account is ruined :'<
Serves your ARAM only account right
you deck stacking prick
Hahahahahaahaha...Oh man. Yes I play only ARAM, but my pool is not just the OP ARAM champs.
Let me tell you all the champs I own
insaiyanbacca2 votesthat list of champs didnt really help your point js
lightdragoon881 votesWell I don't have the terror of 
and 
Hate those champs so much.
Icestar11861 votesThree of them are countered by mark/dash.
lightdragoon882 votesAnd all 4 of them take Mark/Dash.
Icestar11861 votesThe only one that would get any use from Mark/Dash is Blitz. It does 200 damage at maximum, much less than a single spear/orb/light ball at that level, even after resistances, and has a longer cooldown. The only advantage is range, and hitting at that range is a luck-based mission anyway.
insaiyanbacca1 votesdo it
ZephyrDrake1 votessomeone is salty cuz he can't just use long range, poke heavy/spam happy champions in ARAM and win against melee teamcomps by default
lightdragoon881 votesHeh..seems someone didn't see my champ list.
ZephyrDrake1 votesHeh..seems someone didn't see my champ list.
and someone is obviously salty cuz he thinks that a little list does anything for him
lightdragoon882 votesProves to you that it is not an "ARAM poke heavy only" only account.
I will say what others have said
"Again, note that almost all of those low win rate champions have engage. LACK OF ENGAGE IS ALMOST NEVER THE PROBLEM. It is their lack of CC with the engages"
All the low tier melee champs haven't changed at all. All the melee champs with CC engages that have been about 50% winrates are now in the 60% win rate.
Heck, Nidalee, the champ you people seem to think is the best champ, is not even at 50%, she been in the low 40% since before the spell was added.
ZephyrDrake1 votesProves to you that it is not an "ARAM poke heavy only" only account.
I will say what others have said
"Again, note that almost all of those low win rate champions have engage. LACK OF ENGAGE IS ALMOST NEVER THE PROBLEM. It is their lack of CC with the engages"
All the low tier melee champs haven't changed at all. All the melee champs with CC engages that have been about 50% winrates are now in the 60% win rate.
Heck, Nidalee, the champ you people seem to think is the best champ, is not even at 50%, she been in the low 40% since before the spell was added.
QQ more salty person, i could care less if you have a Sona only ARAM account or some BS like that or just a regular account. Doesn't change the fact that you are nothing more than a salty douche
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesIn SR, all melee champs gets to dash/teleports/blinks over walls, why is the Mark/Dash even necessary there? That just fucks up the SR mobility balance system. The one reason why Mark/Dash is viable in ARAM is because.....well, it's one straight road. That's it. No obstacles.
lightdragoon881 votesNah man. Think of all the strategy you have now. Think all all the ganks and wards places you have now.
I see no downside to the spell with it 2500 range flash on a 20 second cooldown to not be on SR...at all....
........GET RID OF THIS SPELL ALREADY RIOT!!!!
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesI vote on getting rid of the spell in aram, yes. But your suggestion of putting it mindlessly & unreasonable in SR & TT is just inviting lots of bitchslaps from all League players.
lightdragoon882 votesThat is kind of the point I was making.
If people think it is fine on ARAM, but don't want it on any other map cause it would be broken, then that shows they are being hypocrites in a way.
Icestar11861 votesARAM is a completely different environment. Nobody cares how powerful Mark/Dash would be in SR. Mark/Dash isn't in SR. The thing that would make Mark/Dash so strong is the fact that it would open most of the jungle as a gank path.
ARAM has no gank paths, because it has no jungle to gank from. There are no other lanes. There is no river. ARAM has none of the things that would make Mark/Dash broken. On ARAM, you will always see it coming, and always have a general idea of the enemy's location (dead, in lane, or on their way to lane). If they're alive and not visible, they are always either in front of you somewhere, or behind you somewhere (in which case you will know about it, because you saw them dive that far). That means you always know what direction the engage is coming from, and you always have an opportunity to avoid it.
Imagine having total vision of all possible gank paths, or even just knowing the path that will be used for the next gank. Easy to avoid getting ganked, now, isn't it? Perhaps more accurately, imagine that junglers could only gank by coming up the lane - the single worst way to gank on SR for anyone not named Sion. In ARAM, the only gank path is the lane. The only PATH is the lane. Mark/Dash isn't broken on ARAM, because the elements that would make it broken aren't on ARAM.
Your entire argument seems (to me) to be that Mark/Dash provides a little extra poke to poke champions (that pales in comparison to what some champions already have in their kits), and that it would be overpowered on SR (which, I will say again, is not ARAM, and therefore is completely irrelevant). Your argument is completely invalid.
lightdragoon882 votesOh dear god..please quiet your mouth.
You have no idea of the point and no idea what mark/dash has done to ARAM.
Icestar11861 votesWhat is the point, then? To me, it seems like the point is to complain.
Icestar11861 votesIt ISN'T in SR, so its power on SR is irrelevant. We're talking about ARAM.