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Brutalizer

EvilRabbitt··3 votes·410 views

Needs more build paths. Specifically, looking to make an AD version of abyssal scepter.

Abyssal- Gives AP, MR, and MR penetration via passive. (Insert Brutalizer name)- Gives AD, Armor, and Armor pen.

Thoughts? I really am not sure how to expand on this too much, but I do know we need something in this direction. Right now playing AD feels like this.

Are you a fighter? A tank? A marksman? -Marksman -- Build these item 3031 item 3046 item 3153 item 3035 item 3006 (insert last item for defense, prob item 3026 )

A tank?

  • Do you put Autos in between your skills? --item 3078 --Autos without spamming skills? --item 3153

Fighter -Are you melee? --item 3074 And then so and so forth. It's just a big check list. You don't build intuitively, there is a strict build path with checkpoints to go through. Meanwhile AP is like "Hey, I want a slow and some damage, maybe I'll pick some mr and mana while I'm at it. OH GOODIE ALL THESE GIVE DAMAGES AND DEFENSES AND PENETRATION! L33t".

Again just my thoughts, I want more choices in AD itemization. I'd love to rewrite the whole system of ad items, but I doubt anyone would look at it- let alone read the thread and get rioters attention on it.

Edit:

Are you an assassin: Build LW. Are you melee? Build hydra. Build bork because bork. So on so forth.

6 Comments

Variks the Loyal1 votes

I say put Brutalizer into Essence Reaver instead of BF Sword.

Makes it cheaper for early game, and makes it good on AD Casters that use mana, like Varus and Jayce. And then it's also good on mana intensive ADCs like Graves and Lucian, who have high burst but don't want to invest into a Tear.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Someone downvoted me for 0 reasons. Check. Also, that makes it niche again. I'd say a seperate item personally, or just rework ER. Brutalizer is supposed to offer pen and damage, which means having it build with a chain vest would make it the equivalent (in some odd, odd world) of Abyssal. Despite that not being accurate, because abyssal builds from a wand and some MR but still gets pen? Made another post.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

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Someone downvoted me for 0 reasons. Check. Also, that makes it niche again. I'd say a seperate item personally, or just rework ER. Brutalizer is supposed to offer pen and damage, which means having it build with a chain vest would make it the equivalent (in some odd, odd world) of Abyssal. Despite that not being accurate, because abyssal builds from a wand and some MR but still gets pen? Made another post.

Hm? Wasn't me who downvoted.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Might as well put a couple of ideas down, before the forum hivemind downvotes this to oblivion and doesn't explain why it happened:

-BF sword should have its own build path, or be cheaper (akin to needless). -Essence Reaver needs to have a pre-item (cinder into sunfire basically) that offers the same concept at a lower stat setting. -Hydra needs to stay, because it acts as an auto reset and thats good on its own. However, there needs to be an auto reset item for Marksman (build diversity reasons). -Brutalizer needs more build paths, as stated by main post and explained there. With one option being niche (like ER) and one option being based on a summoner spell, you are discouraged from buying Brutalizer over Black Cleaver. LW is like VS and is mandatory because 35% is 35%.

  • Need more lifesteal items with different purposes. Bork needs to be reset because as it stands, its nearly mandatory like LW. That means (again, main post) you have two items on a checklist that cannot be worked around unless enemy team literally has no defensive items.
  • Need more hybrid items like AP itemization. Items that offer defensive stats and offensive stats in a balanced fashion.

Seriously though, look at this. item 1036 item 1053 item 1042 item 1051 are all item builders. Our main item builder has none of these, which is why I thought breaking BF down might be a good idea. Offers more attainable goals. Now look at all the big items that you will buy for one reason or another, because mandatory. item 3153 item 3078 item 3087 item 3074 item 3031 item 3046 . Thats all offensive. BT sounds nice on paper, and looks nice in game, but from a stat standpoint its not worth getting until you need to swap an item out. Here are your biggish items that offer defense and AD or AS: item 3091 item 3156 item 3022 item 3139 item 3172 Nothing for armor. Meanwhile, AP? This isn't a prejudice post or a complaint post. As always, this is an observation.

Dracid1 votes

problem now is some champs still can use it and its great, but then upgrading it is pointless so in the end it slows down your full build.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

That too. What I was saying, its great early but unlike other items it's almost pointless to upgrade it for the gold you spend. Most of the time (not all of course) it's better to buy Brut then just sell it later for LW or BC whereas the idea (so I assume) is every item has a place for every potential situation. I was trying to get at AD itemization. Think it'd be better if I just made a thread on that? Have a mini post idea below. Thanks for responding btw.

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