Remove Sightstone

General Veers·3/31/2016, 5:20:25 PM·2 votes·1,022 views

Add a warding Summoner Spell.

Have that Spell be upgraded as you purchase/upgrade your coin/relic/spellthief's.

Consider having coin/relic/spellthief's generate XP in some way if you have the warding Summoner Spell. The mechanism for generating the XP could be different for each item.

Clearly something is wrong with the support role, since very few people want to play it. I think part of the problem is that purchasing sightstone is not fun. Not purchasing sightstone is asking to be flamed and blind, which is even less fun. Let's just put it on a spell and let our support players start playing the item game 800g sooner.

Notes: "Everyone would take a warding spell" - If you gate the power of the spell behind upgrading one of the support items, you can prevent other laners from taking it.

"warding needs to come at a price" - Losing exh/ignite is a hefty cost. The stats/cost of the support item upgrades could be adjusted as well.

11 Comments

Oleandervine3/31/2016, 6:49:05 PM3 votes

To those saying HP and tankiness are great when behind - it's not. Not when most support champions are having their spells gutted from base level into building AP to be efficient. When you have champs like Leona/Braum/Thresh being the meta, that means the game works for them. It works for them because a sightstone flows in their kit and their inherent tankyness. For other champions like Soraka, Nami, or Janna, a sightstone doesn't compliment them at all. HP on them is wasted because they don't have the defenses to back them up - even if it takes longer to kill them, it will still result in a kill, as that extra health is usually not enough to survive until one of your much needed spells is off cooldown. Sightstone is an "Ugh, I have to buy it" item. The combinations of it and the 3 gold items is a whole lot more worthless than the 3 top level gold items on their own. Comparitively, I'd rather have the ghosts from Frost Queen than the Eye of the Watchers, or the group speed boost from the Talisman, or the exploding shield from the Face. It really is rough when you're forced to not only be starved for gold as it is, but to also waste that gold for vision when no other role in the game has to waste the bulk of their early income to be effective. Support, by its layout, is a role that forces the player to be dependent on others and to remain behind the entire game. Here's my proposal to fix it. When jungle changes rolled out, it was rocky at first, but it's smoothed itself out as the seasons have progressed. We need a similar thing for support, except targeting the trinkets and gold items. I propose that there be a set of ward upgrades bound to the Face/Claim/Talisman. When you get your gold item maxed out, it should allow you to upgrade your trinket into a sightstone of sorts, with different benefits based on the gold item. Naturally though, all items will grant the trinket a hold of 3 charges, but they only replenish on returning to the shop instead of recharging over time. What this change would allow is for the support to focus on their income and rushing to hit top level on their items for the actives. It frees up a slot in the mix as well, meaning that with the added income they'll get from upgrading the gold item and not having to buy an early sightstone, they can maybe afford to build items to help their kits out directly. Granted, this does push the vision control towards late game, but if other roles learn to ward, then there shouldn't be too much difference, other than a slight benefit to early jungling.

Lycra3/31/2016, 5:34:14 PM1 votes

Sightstone is a cost efficient item, giving you health and an invaluable active for only 800 gold. Making it a summoner spell would be overpowered and pretty much everyone would take it, and this would drastically change the game and literally everyone would complain that this game is no longer balanced because there are wards in every single bush. Junglers would become obsolete at higher elo and we'd resort to having a second support player top.

Malhammers3/31/2016, 5:38:18 PM1 votes

Additional warding needs to come at a price...even if it is the mere 800g. For a support, buying the sightstone is usually a "ugh I don't want to but I need to" option...meaning that it is a crucial decision. You can't take that away from the role.

L0ve Is Blue3/31/2016, 6:39:19 PM1 votes

Fuck no!!! Supports are already forced to lose an item slot for wards and now you want to change that for a summoner spell? nononononono