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Fizz Nerf Numbers on PBE

Tilted Your Game·5/11/2017, 8:56:37 AM·11 votes·3,168 views
Fizz 7.10

Hi, I'm a platinum fizz one trick on multiple accounts and just wanted to talk about some numbers in the fizz nerfs with 5 bullets.

  1. I think Fizz top is a problem, he's unhealthy and should definitely be dealt with in exactly the way done on the PBE right now (which is lower base values and increase ratios)

  2. I think the numbers are just slightly off because of the nerf they put on mid fizz. Last time riot balanced fizz, it was a buff because he was under-performing, and with the new banshees his winrate mid and dropped again. So nerfing his early game in an attempt to stop top lane fizz is a mistake imo.

  3. I have calculated the numbers for both old fizz at rank 5 W, and new fizz at rank 5 W (image below).

  4. As you can see in my numbers, his early numbers for AP fizz are down quite a bit and especially mid game they become apparent before hitting 375AP (a VERY high number for fizz who builds utility AP items like protobelt and zhonyas)

  5. My suggestion is simple increase it to 25/35/45/55/65, from the current 20/30/40/50/60 and that'll save his early game. This saves his early game by basically equaling his early game dmg by bringing back the 15 damage from before but keeps intact his poor scaling as you put points in W without any AP.

20 Comments

Papa Andrei5/11/2017, 2:06:49 PM5 votes

Fizz Seastone Trident (W): Passive's AP ratio increased from 33.3% to 40% Active's AP ratio increased from 33.3% to 40% Charged Active's AP ratio increased from 100% to 120% Damage changed from 25/40/55/70/85 to 20/30/40/50/60

You know, All I see here are buffs and a loss of 25 base damage, its a light tap with a candy bar attached.

Chønklord5/11/2017, 10:34:38 AM2 votes

What exactly is wrong with allowing tank fizz -- or at least a version of tank fizz? I'm still not quite grasping everyone's dilemma over it.

Shouldn't off-meta builds that are viable be encouraged instead of gutted into oblivion?

So riot and the community only want assassin ap squishy fizz mid, built only a certain way with cookie cutter predefined builds, and anywhere else is somehow destructive to the meta?

MunchCrunchLunch5/11/2017, 3:50:02 PM2 votes

300 ap breakpoint.

Fızz5/11/2017, 10:48:04 AM1 votes

Ap Fizz is going to be really weak, his midgame, where he is supposed to shine is nerfed, late game isn't really good for fizz, where everyone has item 3102 item 3157 item 3026

Fîzž5/11/2017, 9:57:46 PM1 votes

Stop nerfing me riot.item 3070

Danjeng5/12/2017, 1:18:14 AM1 votes

Isn't this change supposed to be a nerf? Some champions don't get the luxury of compensation buffs, and lose out on a lot more than some damage.

Anyway, Fizz is one of the best midlaners and toplaners at the moment. He has a high ban rate, and with these changes, the ban rate will likely drop. I doubt that Fizz will be "gutted" (get it?), if these go through. He will lose out on about an auto's worth of damage, which I think is appropriate for a champion that performs as well as he is in this current patch.