Can I ask why

SSG Elmo·Sep 10, 2018·1 votes·727 views

Me and my friend were playing a ranked game at 2 am in the morning and in pregame lobby everybody was just chilling and typing to eachother nothing toxic or anything, our top laner locks in Teemo and I was a bit concerned but I just let it go but when in game, Teemo died and then blames our jungler (my duo) for the reason he loses lane. This sparks a argument between the two and then Teemo afk's under his tower for the next 10 minutes continues to type until and at this point we were losing the game because the Teemo had completely given up and we started to get a bit mad because it was a game we could have won, Our botlane also agreed and was trying to get teemo to rejoin, After multiple attempts of the Teemo just flat out telling us he's not afk and is running under his tower in a circle we both mute him, after the game our botlane, me and my duo report the teemo and leave, Early this morning my duo gets online and when he logs into his account he has been permanently banned for "Toxicity/Verbal abuse" When the only 2 things he said the entire game that could equal to verbal abuse was "fuck you" and "this game fucking sucks" he was talking about the match itself because the other games we had played were losses so we were a bit mad. I don't understand why he gets a punishment for being toxic but the person int feeding and afk'ing in ranked is let free?

this isnt supposed to be a sympathy post im posting it because the way riot handles banning and punishments is extremely dumb

5 Comments

HethaleanSep 10, 20181 votes

Doubtful it was just one game. Also, he did sort of say "Fuck you" to Teemo there. Is that not toxic? What was in his report card? Without that, it's insanely hard to believe anything. It's a common tactic to come here... Lie ,say I didn't do anything. Then finally post the logs, and jeeeeeeeeeeesus, what a log screen shot you're treated. In all my time here, I've seen one semi legit 'Hrm, that was overboard punishment' post, but the dude had just got off of a 14 day ban, so Riot is twitchy there. I'm highly disinclined to believe anything but your friend is a toxic person as well thus deserving his punishment.

SSG ElmoSep 10, 20181 votes

Yeah saying fuck you to teammates is toxic, but it's hard to keep your cool if you're in ranked and people start afking for dumb reasons, I know hes a toxic person but even for someone like me that doesn't really get mad a lot I can understand why he'd be upset about it, I just wish riot would look at the other side of the mirror and see where he's coming from as to where the toxicity came from because he had no reason to get mad unless someone did or said something to purposely lose the game for everyone involved.

HethaleanSep 10, 20181 votes

Why does their behavior matter to your friend's behavior? If you're in a store, screeching obscenities at another customer is likely to get you both kicked out(if they started it), just like here.

Also, how do you want what is appropriate and not appropriate responses be judged?
What level do you want to be 'justifiable toxicity' in response to be?
Who gets to determine that level? Is it Riot? If so, Riot has already set that level and the level is 'none'.

Sympathy plays very little in it imo. Also, your friend have very little to be angry about anyway. It's a game. Even less reason to lash out at someone.

SSG ElmoSep 10, 20181 votes

Except for the fact that the person that started the conflict is not the one that gets punished in this situation, if what happened that game did not negatively effect me or my teammates nobody would of had a problem with what the Teemo was doing, but it does. In ranked you want to gain LP and climb the ladder to see how far you can go not get tore down by trolls and afk's in games that are easily winnable and drop your LP everytime/

HethaleanSep 10, 20181 votes

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Except for the fact that the person that started the conflict is not the one that gets punished in this situation,

Do you think your friend is entirely responsibility free since you think 'Well the other person's fault'? Do you not understand this is not a 1 and done punishment system?

Your friend.... like i said earlier... very doubtful just one game. Thus it could have been Teemo's first... and thus wouldn't get punished just like your friend's first game was not punished. If he only had one game... Reform Card that was emailed to him please.

So, what sort of convoluted system do you want implemented? Only punishment if the person you're flaming is ALSO on the same tier to get punished that same game? That's an extremely poor system if that is what you want.

I'm not saying you do. I'm just trying to ascertain what exactly you want, since you admit your friend was being toxic. The behavior for which he was being punished for is something he legitimately did.

It is entirely likely that when your friend get their third strike (let's just assume it's 3 strikes), that they have met someone on their 1st strike... Entirely... possible. Your friend was toxic. Got punished for being toxic. Sort of end of story, and should just be a situation where you own your own behavior and the consequences there of.

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In ranked you want to gain LP and climb the ladder to see how far you can go not get tore down by trolls and afk's in games that are easily winnable and drop your LP everytime

This is just an abuser's exculpation. I see all manner of declarations to excuse themselves. OH you gave up first blood!? Troll! OBVO! Oh, you died twice now? FEEDER! NOW, since I've labeled them for feeder and troll, that is enough justification in my head to do whatever I like free of charge to them!

If you do think they were trolling (and there are legitimate cases of trolling),.... ignore them. Control your emotions (That's on you btw), and make clips and send into Riot Support if you want. Or just report them and give detailed information to the report system. Trolling is just far harder to accurately detect than cussing someone out in chat... Since chat is text, and easily recorded. There's also not a 'Well, my fingers just weren't working, and all of a sudden typed the n-word instead of good fight!' like there is with 'trolling'.

A lot of this community (including high profile streamers) labels performing poorly as 'trolling'. However, thankfully Riot does not. I never troll, but I do have bad games. The punishment system would TRULY be bad if it punished me for 'trolling' every time I have a bad game (just went 3/7 in a game. Pretty terrible). Trolling implies intent... Intent is pretty hard to prove. Even in real life.