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Lee Sin promots unsafe, unstrategic and careless play

Burgee·2/21/2015, 12:56:23 AM·98 votes·5,307 views

If you miss Q, don't worry, just ward hop with W.

If you get out of position don't worry, just ward hop over a wall with W

If your enemy flashes away don't worry, just ward hop with W.

If you flash to get a good ult and don't go far enough, just ward hop behind them with W.

If you miss Q after your ult, don't worry, just ward hop back to them with W.

Want to counter jungle but got caught? Just ward hop away with W.

ADCs lost their lifesteal quints because it was "too good" and was used globally. ADCs lost their bloodthirster rush because it was "too good" and was used regularly. APCs lost DFG because it was "too good" and was built regularly. Lichbane was nerfed because it was "too good" and was used regularly.
Flash ranged was nerfed because it was "too good".

Lee Sin's W ward hop is useful in any given situation, defensive or offensive or just fixing a fuck up, but he gets to keep it.

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67 Comments

Maximum Zilean2/21/2015, 2:43:19 AM10 votes

Honestly if they just removed ward jumping entirely, Lee sin would be alot more tolerable.

SEKAI2/21/2015, 1:32:53 PM5 votes

"Stand Behind Me" can not be applied to wards because Riot says it makes no sense, which I agree don't get me wrong, but,

Meanwhile "Safeguard" has been doing exactly that for 3 - 4 years now.

I don't always top kek Riot, but when I do, something is horribly wrong.

ForgiveColour2/21/2015, 1:17:58 AM5 votes

silver provides useful opinion on champion balance

Plasmetic2/21/2015, 6:40:11 PM3 votes

Ward hopping is extremely annoying but you also have to realize he's trading an offensive/defensive item for a fail safe or an engage. Yes he is still strong but he isn't impossible to kill.

However, I think item 2045 should have a 10 - 20 second cooldown between wards being placed. This makes warding for supports more strategic rather than just spamming their button for it, and it nerfs the escapes of champions like LeeSin and Jax

KaisadiIIa2/21/2015, 4:01:12 PM3 votes

The problem with W is that it shouldn't be able to dash to non-champions units. Lee Sin has a 1,100 gap-closer Q. This gap-close has counterplay: avoid it. This counterplay is destroyed by the fact that he still has another dash if he fails the first one. And being ganked by a Lee that just ward-dashed you with W, smited you and then casted an easy Q onto you is not fun to play against.

Llanite2/21/2015, 9:23:39 PM2 votes

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If you miss W, don't worry, just ward hop with W. hit E

If you get out of position don't worry, just ward hop with W. hit E

If your enemy flashes away don't worry, just ward hop with W. hit E

If you flash to get a good ult and don't go far enough, just ward hop with W. hit E

If you miss Q after your ult, don't worry, just ward hop with W. hit E

Want to counter jungle but got caught? just ward hop with W. hit E

THE HORROR OF WARD WALL HOPPING.

OyddAWqJ5r2/21/2015, 3:02:38 AM2 votes

Wow you must be the worst Lee Sin ever. Obviously you can use E for the slow as you W away too. And even if ur W is down u can still Q to get away. Jeez this unskilled Lee player isn't even taking advantage of of his overloaded kit. Dunno if Kappa is appropriate here lol.

Daedalus8712/21/2015, 4:39:30 AM2 votes

Lee's W isn't his problem. It's the fact that he has an overloaded kit and no weaknesses.

lvl 2 lagspike2/22/2015, 7:18:30 AM1 votes

If Lee is soo broken OP, why does he have only a ~46% win rate?

Also, Lee got nerfed many times already in the past. Theyu took away his AS slow from E, they increase his cooldown on W when he jumps to wards and reduced the duration of his shield/LS buff. He did get multiple nerfs not because he is strong but because ppl keep crying 24/7 instead of playing.

WooBeeWoo2/22/2015, 3:27:42 AM1 votes

same thing can be said about any kit.... players use it to fit whatever situation is happening. All cc and mobility can be used defensively and offensively.

warpenguin5552/22/2015, 4:04:50 PM1 votes

the thing is, not everybody is that smart, and its funny

The Virgin Perry2/22/2015, 4:22:46 AM1 votes

lee sin's win rate is below 50% so i dont see what the big deal is