May be stop with mandatory solo queue/competitive champs only? I love his design I love his moves and I totally hate to lose because he lacks stats and stuff in 95% MUs due to his global ult. I'd rather have his global ult gutted in exchange for better shields/sustain/damage.
Rework was a failure.
Just revert him.
BRING BACK SHEN BRING BACK VORPAL BLADE BRING BACK KI-STRIKE
just make him mandatory in lcs, or straight up ban him from pro. Pretty sure it happens in different games' pro play. Smash banned Meta Knight in brawl and i know yu gi oh bans cards from pro. To pro it doesn't matter wether he's garbage or banned, to us it does.
######i mean cmon he threw fucking swords at ppl, swords.
even if he is, he is played as a useless support His ult shield sucks His ult cooldown sucks His ult sucks overall since he stands like a retard in teamfights His cooldowns suck because they are so high even tho he can barely fit CDR in his items because he is manaless His Q sucks unless it's an empowered one His only CC as a tank has a huge cooldown and a small hitbox His W is so niche its only used in early top lane duels or after you taunt people that hurt with their autoattacks even while taunted the unique use of protecting allies is just shit because either this happens:
ETC. (so it's a disadvantage to have more than 1 ally on the circle.)Shen was reworked into a competitive premade champ, devolved from a top laner into a taunt-ult point blank- die meat shield support and fails even then
Yep why people want his old q back. It was free harass but sadly people were crying about it lol.
Make the ult shield stronger, but make it so he doesn't comeplete the teleport of the shield is destroyed. Gives the pros some easy counterplay around the global presence without getting the "Savior" fantasy for solo-queue, allowes more balance levers than just the super long CD, and let's his kit get power elsewhere.
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Make ult have a limited range like TF’s.
Now they can balance accordingly.
I feel you. I used to be a Zac main. He was my most played jungle and top lane up until he got his damage stripped and was no longer an AP bruiser. I'm so fucking tired of shit being gutted, and champions becoming some bullshit niche for pro play. Fuck reverting the champions, this whole game needs to be reverted back like 3-6 years.
If you think he's "hopeless outside of competitive", you're just bad at him and need to practice more. He gets ridiculously tanky, his ult is a lifesaver, he can duel with Q and E, and his W hard counters anyone trying to auto you. Don't blame the champ because you're not good at him.
Shen is the perfect illustration of how a champion can go terribly wrong when you fail to balance them comprehensively across multiple skill brackets. By nature, Shen has an extreme dependence on team cooperation for his ult, and that alone is enough to secure him a spot in competitive play. What Riot should have done is acknowledge this, and rework the rest of his kit so that he'd have a solid baseline amount of power at low elo (which is what old Shen used to have, even if his kit was kinda boring). Instead, Riot chose to double down by not only making Shen more team reliant with his W, but also by giving him this entire other object to manage, which skewed his strength even further away from low elo. The end result is a champion who generally feels weak and incapable of doing what he's supposed to do, purely because of mechanics that only truly unlock for a hyper-coordinated team on voice chat.
Because of this, while I do think his ult could stand to get nerfed even more, it needs to be nerfed in a manner that works better at lower elo. When Shen's shield got changed to scale with the target's missing health, that did nerf Shen, but not so much for the people who were already paying attention to their teammates' health bars, i.e. more organized players. What he needs instead is something that would affect him equally at all elos. On top of this, his base kit I think needs to be redone, in such a way that it works particularly well at low elo, while remaining more outplayable at the competitive tier. In this manner, Shen should come across as a strong duelist with a difficult ult for most players, and at the pro level he should turn into a vulnerable top laner with a devastatingly powerful teleport.
I don't remember about Nocturne's ult as much, but I knoe twisted fate's used to be a global but they wanted to give it range to allow for counterplay, I'm honestly surprised because shen is the only champion whose kept his ultimates teleport ability range. I would be in favor of this. It would lessen his pressure in other lanes post 6.
The problem with Shen's R is that it's a free teleport. They could even keep the global range of the shield and just make him channel it if he didn't have the TP tacked on also.
I, too, really wish I could play Shen responsibly, but I don't feel good about it with the way he is atm.
Same is true with virtually every tank since version 7.4 gutted their itemization, and then again with runes reforged compensating everyone for the common armor/AD they took, but then giving carry roles extra AD on top of that for their rune bonuses while tanks get not even as much health as was possible between the previous runes and masteries, and of course missing out on extra resistances to compete with the extra offensive stats carries get.
There's a reason the only success tanks are finding in solo play is by playing full AD/AP depending on what they scale with.
Ban him from the LCS and make his kit viable :/
I bet it has alot to do with Shen being balanced around being a tank.
If you want more damage he's gotta lose some of his shielding and hard cc
No one cares about Shen unfortunetly. I'm a Shen main. I've accepted it lol.
Just let him down gently and hope you can atleast enjoy playing him, forget about winning.
Sorry, but history has shown that the moment Shen shows up in pro play, 1-2 patches from then he will get a mandatory nerf.
What makes Shen so bad right now? I don’t play him, I used to play him in normals a few times but stopped after seeing his win rate so low and that only dmg champions are good right now. I get he’s great in competitive because of his ult but what makes him bad in solo queue?
You can at least have fun with jungle smite teleport. Pre rework jungle smite tele GP was also fun.
