Full Armor Pen Build...

xReadyPlayerOnex··1 votes·738 views

So, I posted something and people didn't understand. So I'll clarify.

I have maxed out mastery on every ADC in the game. And played some non conventional ones. If it has a ranged attack, I've probably used it to ADC.

My problem right now is there's a point in the game where a tank isn't able to be killed anymore, and if they are good, they weren't ever killed.

I've tried all the standard builds and tried some wacky stuff.

The wacky armor pen builds:

  1. Ghostblade, Cleaver, Lord Dominiks, Mortal Reminder, Hurricane, BT
  2. Cleaver, Lord Dominiks, Ghostblade, Maw, IE, Shiv
  3. Cleaver, MR/LD, BotRK, Maw, IE, shiv
  4. Rageblade, wits, hurricane, cleaver, MR/LD, Mallet

I KNOW:

  1. These builds aren't traditional.
  2. LD and MR don't stack - OK, sue me, but the other parts of them do, so I tried it out (works a lot better than you'd think.
  3. I know what I'm doing on ADC's. These aren't my build path. These are games I literlly had enough gold to sell all my items, and pray these were enough to kill the two tanks that just ate my entire team.

These are builds I would suggest would be "anti" armor stackers or health stackers. If I kite them, if I force them under a tower to get me, while minions are hitting them... I think there's a chance, maybe a small chance... I should be able to kill them.

TL:DR - An ADC should be able to kill a tank... sometime... before the nexus falls... when kiting... under towers.... etc. Tanks should not be gods... like Illaoi, Darius, Mundo... etc.

7 Comments

Nanuk Pihoqahiak3 votes

The problem is you sacrifice so much raw damage to build that and lose power against people that aren't actually tanks. You're better off just doing traditional builds, killing the four other people and then mopping up the tank that didn't die.

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nanuk Pihoqahiak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yIqs2UQQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-09T06:46:33.228+0000)

The problem is you sacrifice so much raw damage to build that and lose power against people that aren't actually tanks. You're better off just doing traditional builds, killing the four other people and then mopping up the tank that didn't die.

I'm saying... that I've tried every build I can that has damage in it... and tanks can't die still.

Vesarixx2 votes

The tanks aren't dying because those builds are terrible, unless you deal crazy base damage to begin with an entirely pen. based build isn't going to kill anything, it's also inefficient to stack % pen. on top of reduction since the reduction is applied first, not to mention item 3036 and item 3033 are pretty terrible to begin with. If you are a sustained damage ADC, which are the best for taking out tanks you need a balance of attack speed, damage and crit, depending on the ADC this might be a bit different.

A few example builds, last item is left out since it will usually be a situational defensive item, item 3071 is essentially the new last whisper since it shreds max armor, making it the best anti armor stacking item at the moment

Jinx item 3031 item 3094 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 would be a balanced build which should do fine against tanks as well as other targets KogMaw item 3153 item 3085 item 3091 item 3006 item 3071 /item 3135 depending on the resists they have Kalista item 3153 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 item 3046 High mobility and decent survivability. Ashe item 3031 item 3094 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 same as Jinx, but more CC instead of AOE Ezreal item 3508 item 3158 item 3094 item 3031 item 3071 Ezreal can forego an attack speed item in favor of AD with his passive Lucian item 3508 item 3078 item 3031 item 3071 item 3006 CDR favored over attack speed lets you proc your passive constantly Vayne item 3153 item 3046 item 3006 item 3046 item 3071 specific for shredding tanks, highest attack speed, health shred and resistance shredding

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raith alghul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yIqs2UQQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-10T04:36:30.604+0000)

The tanks aren't dying because those builds are terrible, unless you deal crazy base damage to begin with an entirely pen. based build isn't going to kill anything, it's also inefficient to stack % pen. on top of reduction since the reduction is applied first, not to mention item 3036 and item 3033 are pretty terrible to begin with. If you are a sustained damage ADC, which are the best for taking out tanks you need a balance of attack speed, damage and crit, depending on the ADC this might be a bit different.

A few example builds, last item is left out since it will usually be a situational defensive item, item 3071 is essentially the new last whisper since it shreds max armor, making it the best anti armor stacking item at the moment

Jinx item 3031 item 3094 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 would be a balanced build which should do fine against tanks as well as other targets KogMaw item 3153 item 3085 item 3091 item 3006 item 3071 /item 3135 depending on the resists they have Kalista item 3153 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 item 3046 High mobility and decent survivability. Ashe item 3031 item 3094 item 3085 item 3006 item 3071 same as Jinx, but more CC instead of AOE Ezreal item 3508 item 3158 item 3094 item 3031 item 3071 Ezreal can forego an attack speed item in favor of AD with his passive Lucian item 3508 item 3078 item 3031 item 3071 item 3006 CDR favored over attack speed lets you proc your passive constantly Vayne item 3153 item 3046 item 3006 item 3046 item 3071 specific for shredding tanks, highest attack speed, health shred and resistance shredding

Great post, helps a lot... But I've used all those builds. I've played lucian a lot and know about the cdr. Nothing helps vs. a mundo or naut or trundle or anything like that really... Double phantom on Vayne looks interesting... will need to try that... but Vayne's pretty much the exception because of her w.

I'd even suggest:

Kog'Maw: Rageblade, hurricane, wits, bt, cleaver, lord doms/IE

But you said it best. THE go to items for taking down tanks and health stackers isn't good. Lord Doms and Mortal Reminder are almost wastes of an item. Whereas they should be exactly how to destroy a tank and the tank will need to build accordingly like getting a thornmail so I help kill myself and things like that... but currently. Tank builds tank and gg.

Are you going thunderlords on most of these? What keystones do you pick up?

Vesarixx1 votes

You don't need item 3036 or item 3033 if you have item 3071 since the shred from cleaver is applied first it reduces the effectiveness of % pen items, which aren't that good to begin with.

I prefer fervor of battle for the keystones on any sustained damage ADC, with the exception being possibly Lucian and Ezreal since they do pretty well with CDR and have decent poke to proc thunderlords, and maybe warlords bloodlust on Vayne since it does boost attack speed. The keystones are personal prefference to some extent though Kalista and Kog'Maw both use fervor of battle extremely well.

MasterSomething1 votes

Hm... A tank, doing what they are supposed to be doing? HEAVEN FORBID IT! NERF IT TO THE GROUND!

-Sincerely, every board QQer ever

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

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Hm... A tank, doing what they are supposed to be doing? HEAVEN FORBID IT! NERF IT TO THE GROUND!

-Sincerely, every board QQer ever

Troll post is troll.

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