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How dota made champs like garen,volibear,singed etc. viable. why riot cant?

eviltunafish·Jun 23, 2017·4 votes·1,749 views

So lately i started to play dota since im very unsatisfied with riot balancing and i noticed there is 1 item in dota that make simillar heroes i mentioned above from trash heroes to super viable heroes its called BLINK DAGGER- active lets you flash for certain distance if not damaged from heroes(3 sec cd after taking damage from heroes ) 12 sec cooldown value of this item is 2250 gold. since dota and lol obviosuly have different gold values and items lets compare really simillar items from lol and dota

DAEDALUS 5320 gold +80 damage 30% crit chance 235% crit damage

INFINITY EDGE 3400 gold +70 ad 20% crit 250 % crit damage

so with same percentages costs why riot cant make item for 1440 gold with no stats or more expensive item with some stats that can make your champion flash every 12 seconds like BLINK DAGGER i really dont see reason for not having item like this and it would make champs listed above viable. And i dont think it would make them op in any way since almost every champ in this meta have some kind of escape or dash.it took me 4 days to figure this out and riot cant do this in 7 years.1 more proof riot balance team is terrible

24 Comments

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20174 votes

Just because they don't implement something into their game that dota has, doesn't make them stupid or incapable of balancing. They just don't want it. Just like Dota doesn't want runes masteries or summoner spells.

Different game, different variables.

eviltunafishJun 23, 20172 votes

just because almost every champion in league is stolen from dota rofl

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20172 votes

You should do some research mate. The 2 people who made the original Dota split up. One made Dota 2 the other made League. They both had similar ideas, but they wanted different things out of their games thats why they split. One wanted a very competitive game, (dota) and the other wanted one more casual friendly (league) Just so happens League pretty much won every part lol. Though Dota is a little harder to jump into, League is by no means easier to master either. (Yes i played Dota 2 for a year and a half)

Sir YamazukiJun 23, 20172 votes

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just because almost every champion in league is stolen from dota rofl

The characters aren't even original to dota, a lot of characters in games are taken from older stories or 'history'. Game designers get inspiration from multiple areas for their work.

eviltunafishJun 23, 20172 votes

play dota a bit and ull see that most champs are copies.

Sir YamazukiJun 23, 20172 votes

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play dota a bit and ull see that most champs are copies.

And that doesn't change the fact DOTA didn't create those characters, they took it from somewhere else. Smite has similar characters that league has. Are they copies? No, they simply copied the same story. Wu Kong is an example. Many games have this character. You can even find him in a game like Warframe lol

eviltunafishJun 23, 20171 votes

having 1400 gold item with no combat stats wouldnt make kenen or darius op.imagine darius with absolutely no items in lane when you can have 2 doran blades and cloth armor and some pots for same value

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20171 votes

Dota also doesn't have summoner 4

eviltunafishJun 23, 20171 votes

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Just because they don't implement something into their game that dota has, doesn't make them stupid or incapable of balancing. They just don't want it. Just like Dota doesn't want runes masteries or summoner spells.

Different game, different variables.

not implementing somethig that would make some chams viable instead being trash champs that are almost unplayable in higher mmr makes them idiots

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20172 votes

They would be more than viable, they would break the game.. I'm sorry but i don't think giving Darius the power to flash every 12 seconds is a good idea. I mean, what would be the purpose of tanky initiators if you could just play Darius and Blink Grab the entire team when ever you want? Like seriously think of all the champions that would abuse this..

Heros like Sand King, Enigma, Axe, Tidehunter, Dark Seer etc, these are heros that are already primary engagers, the Blink Dagger just makes it easier. Not to mention, Dota's heros tend to have a lot more mobility on lower CD. Anti-mage has a blink every like 6 seconds, Faceless void has a Leap, Slark - leap, riki - blink, etc the mobility in their game impacts the game much differently. They even have Force Staff, i'm surprised you didn't bring that item up. Not to mention, most Heros either scale with utility i.e buying items like mek, forcestaff, aghs, blink dagger, euls, veil, pipe of insight etc, that support the team in some way. Or you buy damage items..

Damage items in league work differently, they typically increase the damage your spell does. In Dota, those items are a rarity, and your items either give your team utility, or more AA damage.. So it's pretty silly to try to compare these 2 in terms of items and such, when the way the game scales is far different.

eviltunafishJun 23, 20171 votes

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They would be more than viable, they would break the game.. I'm sorry but i don't think giving the power to flash every 12 seconds is a good idea. I mean, what would be the purpose of tanky initiators if you could just play Darius and Blink Grab the entire team when ever you want? Like seriously think of all the champions that would abuse this..

Heros like Sand King, Enigma, Axe, Tidehunter, Dark Seer etc, these are heros that are already primary engagers, the Blink Dagger just makes it easier. Not to mention, Dota's heros tend to have a lot more mobility on lower CD. Anti-mage has a blink every like 6 seconds, Faceless void has a Leap, Slark - leap, riki - blink, etc the mobility in their game impacts the game much differently. They even have Force Staff, i'm surprised you didn't bring that item up. Not to mention, most Heros either scale with utility i.e buying items like mek, forcestaff, aghs, blink dagger, euls, veil, pipe of insight etc, that support the team in some way. Or you buy damage items..

Damage items in league work differently, they typically increase the damage your spell does. In Dota, those items are a rarity, and your items either give your team utility, or more AA damage.. So it's pretty silly to try to compare these 2 in terms of items and such, when the way the game scales is far different.

yea not that lucian has perma dash,xayah permastun,kassadin permaflash,khazix jump reset with low cooldown...dont make me list all cancers in this game and only champ that could be MAYBE problematic with this item is darius.MAYBE cause he would be with no items stats in lane and he needs to be lane bully so he woudnt be able to rush this item

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20171 votes

Kassadin is the closest thing to having a blink all the time and he is gated by mana...

doodlebob666Jun 23, 20174 votes

because then your giving Kennen Blitzcrank Darius mobility that would completely break them, while not actually helping garen voli or singed, since they still run into the problem of having absolutely no response to kiting, peel from supports or the fact that literally every diver does their job better but with mobility added ontop of that

Best princess EUJun 23, 20171 votes

blink dagger doesn't prevent melees from being kited

blink dagger gives them the ability to engage, items are always here to partially cover your weaknesses just like adcs building sustain and damage reduction

blink dagger cannot be used in fight, and this OP has forgot because he probably doesn't play a lot of dota, it is only good to engage a fight cannot disengage or use it while fighting

doodlebob666Jun 23, 20171 votes

yeah but how does that help singed garen or voli, that just means blitz gets to flash hook more often

TormentulaJun 23, 20173 votes

Dota has blink dagger, league has flash.

One cost gold, one cost a long CD but can be used whenever from the start.

Your "dota solution" doesn't fix anything.

HalcyonDwellerJun 23, 20173 votes

Some great suggestions and ideas overall. I personally would love to see this in League.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

You had me on your side until the last paragraph:

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it took me 4 days to figure this out and riot cant do this in 7 years. 1 more proof riot balance team is terrible

Why bring personal attacks into this? You could have just said, "Riot should look into this." But instead you went and implied that they are idiots and then called them all terrible.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

It's statements like this that are the reason Rioters won't engage with the community on the boards more. Please don't be so rude, it's unnecessary and only hurts our chances at communication with Rioters.

eviltunafishJun 23, 20172 votes

hey im dentist and if my customer is unsatisfied he has right to be angry on me and tell me that in a way he wants.ive spent alot of money and time on this game and if i think riot balance team is idiots and im unsatisfied with product ive spent on more than 1k euros i have right to tell them they are idiots.

Rip Rengo 2016Jun 23, 20172 votes

and if i think riot balance team** is **idiots

HalcyonDwellerJun 23, 20172 votes

League of Legends is a free game. Riot doesn't have to listen to individual players, but to the community as a whole.

You have a right to do so, but you make customer experiences worse for others when you do so.

It's a matter of being a good customer and providing constructive feedback vs being a shitty customer and forcing the business to add policies limiting interactions with customers due to certain customers behaving poorly when overly upset.

Riot has a right to protect their employees from harassment, if the harassment does not go away then neither will that policy.

AhristocatsJun 23, 20172 votes

wowowow, you forgot so many things

you forgot that there is only ONE CRIT item in dota, you can't reach 100% crit

you also forgot that carries are not balanced around crit, some carries are balanced around mana like harbringer or around on-hit effects

kog is the only marksman building on-hit effects, most of them stack crit

Best princess EUJun 23, 20171 votes

Ezreal item 3153 item 3078 item 3004

ezreal also builds on hit effect items

R31W1NGJun 23, 20171 votes

DoTA is designed around the concept of being hyper competitive, league is designed around being fun to play. And yes while league has a competitive scenes it wasn't built around it. Dota has a much more restricted damage system and many of it's items serve one purpose or are only usable by specific champions. League has a more broad sense, but still somewhat restricted, view of items.

League builds upon a core focused around fun and then applies competitive balance where DoTA is almost exclusively competitive balance.

C the difference?

eviltunafishJun 24, 20171 votes

how would it help garen? flash Q spin ult and kill someone.he has super hard time to get to someone what makes him usless Singed.same with garen.he cant catch adc alone so this item would help him fling adc into bad position and poison enemy team volibear.same story.he cant catch adc at all.with dagger he could easy engage and flip someone into bad position

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