What's good on Sejuani post 4.21?

Ridley Prime··1 votes·2,033 views

My main questions are: is Liandry's still an item she needs? How much health should you build on her vs defenses? Are mana problems still a thing?

So typically I figure you want to build sejuani as 4 tank items, boots, and a damage item.

Her most important stats are probably (in order):

Health Defenses CDR Mana AP/Magic Pen

Imagine we're in a game that's got pretty balanced teams on both sides. Good mix of mobility, tankiness, both kinds of damage, essentially no champs or combos of champs you'd want to merit an entire item slot to. We'll likely want a mix of tankiness and damage, with more emphasis on the tank and taking the damage as a bonus.

Your tank items (Sunfireitem 3068 , Randuinsitem 3143, Banshee's item 3102 item 3713 ) take care of health and defenses. Items like Iceborn item 3025 and Frozen heartitem 3110 give you CDR and Mana. IBG even gives you some AP. Spirit visage'sitem 3065 passive isn't super useful on her unless you're taking purple smiteitem 3713, as it does help you recover hp faster in the jungle, but more importantly gives you 10% cdr. Green enchantment item 3725 for your jungle item is where you want to be, and that gives you some tenacity.

I'd imagine purple smite is still the best smite on sejuani, with blue smite in second. Green enchant is best for her, with blue in second. Let's say for this case we build purple smite for faster clears and since we have a gap closer and a slow and a long range stun, blue smite seems redundant. Our AP ratios aren't good enough to merit blue enchant (save ultimate), and W scales with total health, so green enchant seems best here. Let's pick that up.

Once you have your jungle item, you'll want to pick up a sunfire I imagine. Clear camps faster, and synergizes with your w. I'll get to boots in a minute. Of course, to make sure they stay in range, let's grab some CC, damage, mana, and CDR in iceborn gauntlet. An early glacial shroud can help with mana problems. (Does she even have mana problems now?). Frozen heart seems overkill on the armor, and I think it'd be better to throw in the extra damage and CC there.

Say they're a mixed damage team (AP mid, jungle, support, ADC and AD top for example), so we should pick up some MR. We don't need Tenacity through Merc treads, so they're an ineffecient purchase. All boots choices seem good for her here (save zerkers). (help me out here) We'll come back to this.

Anyway we can grab a spirit visage/banshee's veil, depending on personal preference. I like CDR on her (more spellblade procs) so let's snag the visage.

So far we have purple smite/green enchant, Sunfire, Visage, Iceborn, and boots of some kind. We have a good amount of health from sunfire and visage and green enchantment, but we have a lot more armor than MR, and the enemy team is balanced on both sides of damage.

I feel like abyssal scepter would be good here. Amplify your team's damage along with your own, and you'll be up close and personal almost all the time, able to hit that range. It gives us more MR and adds a little more damage to our team.

To add to the damage and keep armor and MR balanced, why not pick up a pair of sorcerer's boots?

But looking back on this build, something seems... off. Maybe I feel like she needs more health. Maybe we should get a Liandry's for more damage. What would be replaced, whats bad here, and how do we make up for the other stats we miss out on? I can see lots of arguments for why individual items are really good on her (like randuins, frozen heart, liandry's, ninja tabi, Ionian boots, mobi boots, boots of swiftness, banshee's, blue smite, rylai's) but I'm having trouble seeing how the items could work together. Liandry's loves more CC, but doesn't stack, making multiple DOT abilites kind of eh, and is also mostly for shredding tanks. Iceborn likes low cooldowns and being close enough to autoattack. Sunfire likes to be close, visiage likes self-healing, abyssal likes teammates that do magic damage, you get the idea.

Somebody argue with me. What's good here? What's bad?

(I got lazy and stopped inserting items halfway through sorry)

10 Comments

Talamare1 votes

Unless you go Rylai -> Liandry, she doesn't have enough slows to make Liandry worth it

Also MR itemizations are really bad these days AND I rather have the 20% CDR + AP boost from Magus over Juggernaut... So I rather get Mercs + Magus over Juggs + w/e

Also, if I feel the need to get more MR. If "I" the 3~4k HP Goddess needs more MR... Then it is likely the entire team needs more MR, so I rather get Aegis instead of Spirit Visage. Tho I am not sure if I should get Banner or Locket, honestly both good options.

As for Armor, standard Randuins, Sunfire

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Attack Speed slows double the damage dealt by Liandry's Torment's passive, so Frozen Heart or Randuin's Omen are great for increasing the damage it deals. In addition, with the new CD on her E and 30-40% CDR, she can have a lot of up-time on her Permafrost slow.

Ridley Prime1 votes

I take it you're saying she doesn't have the mana problems anymore, and has enough mana sustain with the trailblazer.

Talamare1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ridley Prime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y0e2jBwB,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2014-12-11T21:49:10.073+0000) I take it you're saying she doesn't have the mana problems anymore, and has enough mana sustain with the trailblazer.

They increased her level 1 mana to 400, that is literally the 2nd highest in the game

At 18 she is over 1k, comparable to mages like X, Brand, Malz, Vel

Except her spells cost 20 and 55 mana

So, not really~ She is kinda OKAY when it comes to mana

Ridley Prime1 votes

Oh wow, I hadn't played with the changes yet, so I hadn't considered that.

Do you think abyssal would make a good last item in your scenario? Or banshees?

Magus/sunfire/randuins/merc treads/locket/abyssal

would be something I might get behind. Unless you got banner, in which case I'd get banshee's/visage as a last item.

My biggest concern is, I want her damage to still be relevant, so you can peel and stuff without being totally ignored. Is magus enough? I feel like her AP ratios aren't all that great for 80 AP to make much of a difference. 150 AP and an MR reduction to enemies seems to ensure she'd still be relevant. Plus with the E changes to her slow, can she still keep enemies close to her? I figured IBG would be important to keep your opponents close to you.

MattAkhavan1 votes

I have written a thousand posts for sejuani, if you want to look at some of my posts or have any specific questions i'l answers them. i'm going to post my recommended build for a few play styles for sejuani. I personally always go poacher because of my play style but no one else does so go rangers it's good.

  • Pure Tank:item 3725 ( juggernaut upgrade)item 3158 item 3068 item 3102 item 3110 item 3083

  • Off tank: item 3725 item 3158 item 3068 item 3001item 3151 item 3025

  • Mage/figher ( i play this one mostly) item 3724 item 3165 item 3020 CORE then you can either doitem 3089 item 3100item 3157 OR item 3001 item 3157 item 3116 or a mix of both. it's based on the game and what you feel like you need more of

  • Full AP:item 3128 item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 item 3100 item 3157

These aren't necessarily in any order, but you always want to try to get 40% cdr as fast as possible. once you have 40% cdr you can continuously cast flail (W) and permafrost every 3.5 seconsd

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Well first off, I want to say that nobody really knows what's good now, so try whatever you think might be good and come tell us if it is.

So typically I figure you want to build sejuani as 4 tank items, boots, and a damage item.

Historically, there's 3 builds on Sejuani:

  • Tank Sejuani, pretty building as you mention
  • Offtank Sejuani, that builds multipurpose items like item 3068 item 3001 item 3025 item 3157
  • AP Sejuani, that focuses on huge burst damage with RQWE item 3100 item 3089 item 3128 item 3135

Myself I prefer the offtank build. I always like builds with versatility and flexibility.

I'd imagine purple smite is still the best smite on sejuani, with blue smite in second. Green enchant is best for her, with blue in second. Let's say for this case we build purple smite for faster clears and since we have a gap closer and a slow and a long range stun, blue smite seems redundant. Our AP ratios aren't good enough to merit blue enchant (save ultimate), and W scales with total health, so green enchant seems best here. Let's pick that up.

Unless things are dramatically improved for clearing, Ranger's is the clear frontrunner. Sejuani still won't be a fast clearer and the sustain help will be very helpful. We're unlikely to heavily counterjungle, the Skirmisher's smite doesn't synergize well with her kit, and we have plenty of CC so I don't see much excitement for Stalker's.

Once you have your jungle item, you'll want to pick up a sunfire I imagine. Clear camps faster, and synergizes with your w. I'll get to boots in a minute. Of course, to make sure they stay in range, let's grab some CC, damage, mana, and CDR in iceborn gauntlet. An early glacial shroud can help with mana problems. (Does she even have mana problems now?). Frozen heart seems overkill on the armor, and I think it'd be better to throw in the extra damage and CC there.

I'm not at all sure you're supposed to finish the jungle item so quickly. Level 6 Sejuani is not really at much risk for being bursted, and CC is unlikely to be spent on her, so I think you should delay your Juggernaut in favor of finishing something more offensively minded. To me, the best candidates seem to be item 3057 and item 3136.

If we're going to finish the jungle item first, I would prefer to buy Magus rather than Juggernaut. AP/CDR is not awful stats on Sejuani, the item is considerably more gold efficient than Juggernaut, and getting early AP feels more impactful for the midgame.

LankPants1 votes

I think that item 3709 is better than item 3725 since the CD nerfs on the trailblazer, sej already has enough AOE to kill the small creeps anyway.

Ridley Prime1 votes

I like item 3713 for the HP/mana sustain. Her clears are pretty garbage early, and I'd rather just be using smite to clear faster than for assisting my ganks. Sejuani's ganks are already pretty sick. Might be worth swapping to item 3706 lategame.

LankPants1 votes

Her clears are garbage early, but by the time you can afford an item it's not so much of a problem, assuming you're maxing w anyway.

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