I couldn't find where Riot explained why they removed the little Red and Blue camp creeps.

Arakadia·Nov 2, 2016·11 votes·1,479 views

Can someone help explain or link?

24 Comments

Milla JovovichNov 2, 20168 votes

They got too stressed every time someone killed their big bro after they would chill with him for a bit

ShadowatomNov 2, 20164 votes

Probably something to do with counter-jungling since you can't leave a little one anymore to keep the buff from respawning. Or maybe just to make it a bit harder to level since you've effectively lost 2 sources of exp. I don't jungle often, but iirc you could hit level 2 taking the buff camp, right? So maybe if you want the buff early, you now have to sacrifice the level? If that's correct (no idea if it is, so please correct me if I'm wrong), then they're might be trying to encourage cheesy invades a bit, since people can't deny the buff right away, or put themselves behind if they do.

The Yetii RiderNov 2, 20162 votes

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Probably something to do with counter-jungling since you can't leave a little one anymore to keep the buff from respawning. Or maybe just to make it a bit harder to level since you've effectively lost 2 sources of exp. I don't jungle often, but iirc you could hit level 2 taking the buff camp, right? So maybe if you want the buff early, you now have to sacrifice the level? If that's correct (no idea if it is, so please correct me if I'm wrong), then they're might be trying to encourage cheesy invades a bit, since people can't deny the buff right away, or put themselves behind if they do.

Riot states you're supposed to start at the buffs now. Blue buff has negative MR so it's easier for magic based champs to take. Red buff takes bonus damage from physical so now it dies faster to autos.

Both camps give you level 2 by themselves.

CrazyBear1987Nov 2, 20163 votes

(http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-2017/gameplay)

We're also making some additional minor changes to camps to make each feel more distinct.

Blue Sentinel & Red Brambleback Blue and Red buff have evicted the smaller monsters that lived in their camps. How lonely.

that all they are willing to say until official release.

Pierce The VealNov 2, 20162 votes

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(http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-2017/gameplay)

We're also making some additional minor changes to camps to make each feel more distinct.

Blue Sentinel & Red Brambleback Blue and Red buff have evicted the smaller monsters that lived in their camps. How lonely.

that all they are willing to say until official release.

2016 Still expecting Riot to properly communicate with its customers.

DrCyanideNov 2, 20163 votes

I don't know, but that change is a nerf to how fast Fiddles can clear those camps.

Pierce The VealNov 2, 20161 votes

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I don't know, but that change is a nerf to how fast Fiddles can clear those camps.

Wait how is it a nerf if he no longer has to deal with the little ones.

MyNameAintNickNov 2, 20166 votes

e bounces a bunch of times.

SithesisLordNov 2, 20161 votes

Krugs though.

Pierce The VealNov 2, 20161 votes

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e bounces a bunch of times.

Max W only. Also new chickens and krugs if you want to max e.

MyNameAintNickNov 2, 20164 votes

I mean, I'm aware. Was just stating how it could possibly slow down the time of the clear.

His clear will be as healthy as before.

Pierce The VealNov 2, 20161 votes

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I mean, I'm aware. Was just stating how it could possibly slow down the time of the clear.

His clear will be as healthy as before.

Possiblyeven stronger if he avoids krugs and chickens.

DarkRitualNov 2, 20162 votes

They want to make it so champions who don't have good AoE abilities have better chance to keep up on clear times. Promoting jungle diversity a little bit without having to touch actual champions.

R18Nov 2, 20161 votes

Riots forcing us to leash jungles at their buffs........... I feel like the entire jungle change revolves around this. (Crugs+Gromp spawn times) Legit might start to refuse leashing now and just proc spellthiefs.

AptestNov 2, 20161 votes

interesting take on the topic.

maybe you are right and this has to do with "take a camp before lane and level 2 cheese"?

R18Nov 2, 20161 votes

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interesting take on the topic.

maybe you are right and this has to do with "take a camp before lane and level 2 cheese"?

? Can you clarify what you're saying

ActivatingEMPNov 2, 20161 votes

Pretty sure it's a kha ziks buff as well as making it so that you can't buff deny by leaving one of the tiny guys for 2+ minutes only for them to wait ~3 after finding your dick move