Why can't we honor enemies in the new honor system?

Arakadia··108 votes·15,622 views

Sometimes the nicest, friendliest, or chillest people can be the enemy. I'd be sad if I couldn't honor someone who deserved it on the enemy team. For example if they had a rough lane but stuck through, got flamed but dealt with it in a positive way, or made the game more fun in general.

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Mysticman8948 votes

They expressed that honouring opponents was something they were looking to expand into after the initial release, but for release they want to keep things as simple as possible.

EbonyBladeJ883 votes

Can agree with that one, because that's what I heard regarding it too.

Arakadia6 votes

Thanks this explains it. I really hope it does get added!

Morgan le Fey1 votes

Definitely looking forward to it, too. And not just because I've had an Honorable Opponent banner for two years straight now. :P

(though that does help... >.>)

RiotRiot NaKyle22 votes

MysticMan89's got it! We're looking at a way to bring opponent honoring back, but right now we're focused on a stable launch for 7.13. We'll keep ya posted.

LightIsMyPath7 votes

Are we ever going to get a way to honor multiple teammates if we decide to skip honoring in games before? (like a honor reserve xD)

Hey im Friendly2 votes

This post deserves much more upvotes!

FuIIm00n3 votes

in reality there was no need to EVER get rid of honoring the enemy team in the first place. you could of kept that in and then kept on with your patches.

Smatchimo2 votes

well if a person was only honored by the enemy team to get their honor tag while possibly being a crappy person to play with on the same team, maybe they did it to weed out the bad apples for sure, initially.

NachoCripple5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rv7WBcwG,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2017-06-14T23:38:05.794+0000)

MysticMan89's got it! We're looking at a way to bring opponent honoring back, but right now we're focused on a stable launch for 7.13. We'll keep ya posted.

How's it going?

Hey im Friendly7 votes

Great job, guys! It's only 2 years and you still haven't added that feature. You haven't even announced working on it. SHAME ON YOU!!!!

RollingCalf2 votes

any work on this. I think many of us feel strongly about this and would be a solid anti-toxicity move.

SpikedFruitPunch3 votes

I don't think it's supposed to be taking two years and more to implement an honor system that includes your opponents.

Did you forget to write this down or did you hope that we would forget?

Saezio2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rv7WBcwG,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2017-06-14T23:38:05.794+0000)

MysticMan89's got it! We're looking at a way to bring opponent honoring back, but right now we're focused on a stable launch for 7.13. We'll keep ya posted.

How is it going pal? Any news on it?

No Teamwork9 votes

I dunno, I'm just bummed I won't be able to get the Teamwork banner and complete the joke...

Mighty Mortein8 votes

Lately, I've been running into really chill enemy players. It's a nice experience. Like, at the end of every game, we strike up conversations and I sometimes end up adding them. It's awesome to see this side of the community.

ChaosThief2 votes

It's fun being the nice enemy every now and then. A little while ago I got a game as top Renekton vs a Riven. The Riven openly announced they were rusty.

I did end up killing Riven twice in the early game, and to be blunt I could have done it more, but I decided against it. Every now and then I would get ganked by multiple people with Riven and end up having to fight them all off, but instead of just slaughtering Riven every time she went to lane to farm, I told her in all chat to farm, that I wouldn't touch her. I would walk past her and farm the minions behind her, she would farm the same.

It was a normal game, of course, and that could be considered throwing. But to be honest, I have no care for winning alone. Stomping someone while they're down is no fun. I'd rather lose when I deserved it instead of winning early just because I knew the laning phase better (that, and I was Renekton, a rather powerful early game champ).

I got 3 honorable opponents after that game. It was more enjoyable than just stomping the enemies because of an early lead, and I wouldn't have minded losing because they weren't terrible sports about it.

50000000000000008 votes

The double-proxy farm is the height of top lane frienship

Stalinium1 votes

Veigar vs Nasus lol

DeathBurst2 votes

To expand on MysticMan answer: they want to make Honour counts in order to push people to behave better because they want to get Honour. So they want to promote people giving Honour, almost force people to participate in the Honour system, and the easiest way to do that was to strongly encourage people to give Honour every game. And how do you make people give Honour? You force them to go through a neat and clean interface where they can easily do it. But neat and clean means you have to present as few options as possible, and that meant removing opponents (or the possibility to honor multiple people), the reasoning being that you interact with your team much more, so you have more reasons to honor them on average.

(From my experience, you also have more reasons to report them too, but that's another story.)

DragonShea2 votes

{quoted}

Sometimes the nicest, friendliest, or chillest people can be the enemy. I'd be sad if I couldn't honor someone who deserved it on the enemy team. For example if they had a rough lane but stuck through, got flamed but dealt with it in a positive way, or made the game more fun in general.

Yeah if they do so, you should have 3 ways of honoring then.

Well played: These players outdone you (and your team even) and deserve praise for their skills in the game.

Disciplinarian: Defending the enemy team form toxicity from their own team. Should be awarded to enemy player for who refuse to tolerate trolls and toxic players abusing your team.

Humble: Win or lose, these are players that is gentlemen.

50000000000000001 votes

I think honoring for skill is a bad approach. The rest of the honor is about being a nice player (tilt-proof, good communication, and just generally being pleasant). We don't have an honor for going 11/0/22, for example. I like the other two, though.

Arakadia1 votes

I pretty much agree with this. Humble might want a little word tweaking but yeah.

Automated Riven1 votes

I think it should simply stay honorable opponent. But I also feel like you should waive the teammated honor in order to honor that opponent.,

SzGamer2272 votes

I made two friends two games in a row with people who handed my ass in lane and were chill in all-chat while my team flamed me.

...they were both Yasuos...

Arakadia2 votes

Impossible blasphemy! This could not be!

fuk jungle2 votes

HEYYY glad to see they still havent done this

SirTeemoMushroom1 votes

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Slythion2 votes

uh...how

Arakadia1 votes

What did he say?

Slythion3 votes

"that's like giving a gun to an enemy who's been trying to kill you all game"

or something like that. It's alright though, he seems to realize it didn't make much sense

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

I don't honor an ennemy because he's friendly or... I honor one :

  • if he was strong
  • or i played against him directly during laning phase (i won't honor if its illaoi, teemo, jayce, teemo, quinn, heimeir... or any bs at the top).

But u don't need to communicate with ennemies during the game, unless u wan't to taunt or be taunted.

Morgan le Fey5 votes

That's an awful outlook. Life is happier when everyone is friendly and sportsmanlike. :(

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

yeah its true. But tbh u (I) don't need to communicate with ennemies DURING the game. U can joke with them after the game in the win or losing.

What's sportsmanlike in lol ??

Morgan le Fey4 votes

That's fair. I do it in-game because I like it, though ofc. not to the point of dying or taking free harass for it. Regardless, it's not mandatory.

What's sportsmanlike in League? Lots of stuff! Being a graceful winner and loser, complimenting your opponents on plays well-done, and just... idk, interacting with them in a nice way relative to the game? It's hard for me to define concretely off the top of my head, but it's the same as sportsmanship anywhere else. Play to win, and talk to make them less salty about it. When you do lose, accept it gracefully. Compliment people - friend and foe - on things they did well! Accentuate the positive, esp. to people who might be tilted anyways.

Mind, I do a lot of it naturally, since I have a somewhat sunny personality (well, most of the time), so I often underestimate the struggle for people who are more competitive. I realize that it's not just something as easy for everyone. That's not a snarky thing or bragging or anything - people are just naturally different. I'm happy, I have strong game knowledge, but I'm honestly pretty terrible at actually playing League. People with better instincts and faster reaction times completely wipe the floor with me. Each person has their own strengths and weaknesses. A lot of success is learning to play to your strengths, shore up your weaknesses, and avoid things you're not so good at... unless they're fun and you don't mind being not so good at them. :P

But yeah, just be nice, go out of your way to say positive things, and rephrase and reframe negative in a constructive light. That doesn't mean negativity is inherently bad - sometimes it's good - but always treat it with great care. Doing so does wonders for your own team morale (which is a huge and badly underestimated resource) and for everyone's general satisfaction with the game.

Simbafluff3 votes

{quoted}

That's fair. I do it in-game because I like it, though ofc. not to the point of dying or taking free harass for it. Regardless, it's not mandatory.

What's sportsmanlike in League? Lots of stuff! Being a graceful winner and loser, complimenting your opponents on plays well-done, and just... idk, interacting with them in a nice way relative to the game? It's hard for me to define concretely off the top of my head, but it's the same as sportsmanship anywhere else. Play to win, and talk to make them less salty about it. When you do lose, accept it gracefully. Compliment people - friend and foe - on things they did well! Accentuate the positive, esp. to people who might be tilted anyways.

Mind, I do a lot of it naturally, since I have a somewhat sunny personality (well, most of the time), so I often underestimate the struggle for people who are more competitive. I realize that it's not just something as easy for everyone. That's not a snarky thing or bragging or anything - people are just naturally different. I'm happy, I have strong game knowledge, but I'm honestly pretty terrible at actually playing League. People with better instincts and faster reaction times completely wipe the floor with me. Each person has their own strengths and weaknesses. A lot of success is learning to play to your strengths, shore up your weaknesses, and avoid things you're not so good at... unless they're fun and you don't mind being not so good at them. :P

But yeah, just be nice, go out of your way to say positive things, and rephrase and reframe negative in a constructive light. That doesn't mean negativity is inherently bad - sometimes it's good - but always treat it with great care. Doing so does wonders for your own team morale (which is a huge and badly underestimated resource) and for everyone's general satisfaction with the game.

You look like someone I'd like to add as a friend in League :D

Simbafluff1 votes

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yeah its true. But tbh u (I) don't need to communicate with ennemies DURING the game. U can joke with them after the game in the win or losing.

What's sportsmanlike in lol ??

Similar to any sport, after a game, you can tell a player on the opposing team that they did well and you respect their sportsmanship in the game. This can be because they didn't brag or gloat when they defeat you, or when they take a loss gracefully, or when they are generally fun to play against. You can honor them simply because you respect the person.

Aldapsayar1 votes

People don't do it because they need to. People are nice to enemy because they want to.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

u dosn't understand my point i think... I never said u had to be nice or reverse. I mean chat is used to communicate info for winning. In most case, ennemy talk won't help this.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Honor isn't defined by your salt level.

I honor an enemy if he has shown determination and has been of great value for his team while also being a nice person (no bragging, no provocations towards us, no "gg ez" or similar).

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Honor isn't defined by your salt level.

What do u mean ?

I honor an enemy if he has shown determination and has been of great value for his team while also being a nice person (no bragging, no provocations towards us, no "gg ez" or similar).

Thats why i disable ennemy chat... there nothing useful for u or ur team in. Btw i report anyone saying gg ez (in my team or not).

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Because all enemies are inherently dishonorable for daring to challenge you.

Arakadia1 votes

Oh your right, my bad!

korg0231 votes

For some odd reason only Riot understands.

Shwado1 votes

its so ppl dont throw for honor since there were some stuff that you could do with the honor points

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

i never thought about that but it makes sense :o

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Or when a said enemy is having a fight with his teammates but he has survived the horrors and is actually the best performing player on his team.

ChibiLG1 votes

Can we get enemy honors back please. Have been too many cool and fum enemys havent been able to honor

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