http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/05/59-pbe-update-pulsefire-caitlyn-login.html this pretty much buffs fizz, tank or not, because if fizz builds a little ap, he will do more damage then if he was full tank, so what do you want him to do? build a banshees into full tank and do more damage?? ps thank the fuck for the graves lee nerfs, they needed them
EngineeredUrMum2 votesWell the point here is to keep fizz from one shotting people with uncharged w and making then wait for it to charge. Overall 20% ap ratio onto an ezreal won't make a difference if fizz waits for his w, but it helps prevent ezreal from dieing before w even charges up. So in some ways it's a nerf.
For tank fizz with banshees it won't make a difference at all because 20% of 100 is 20 which is what the w is losing lewl.
LyingOnLine2 votesIt's not a buff.
It's compensation for a nerf aimed at Tank Fizz.
Who is Taliyah1 votesWhat nerf to tank fizz if I may ask? I didn't keep up to pbe stuff for a while, so at first this ap ratio buff on fizz seems really stupid.
LyingOnLine1 votesThey're nerfing his W's base damage. As you could clearly see if you were paying any attention to S@20.
Who is Taliyah1 votesYeah but it's still a buff nontheless. With 100 ap, fizz now deals 6,7 damage with passive, and 20 damage with charged W more. So it's actually 1,7 damage more with 100 ap and AP fizz wins even more with that.
LyingOnLine1 votesYou're forgetting the nerfs to W's base damage also affects charged W's damage. And it's 25 less damage at Rank 5.
So at 100 AP, he'll deal 100 damage with W passive and 300 with the charged active, from 118 and 355 before the nerf.
Pommel Knight1 votesThe 25 dmg gets tripled with the empowered part of his w. So it's 75 dmg nerf and the ap scaling is to help ap fizz. So he only gets the dmg back at 375 ap, with the new scaling. So anything above is more dmg for ap fizz, this is the ap tank fizz doesn't build.
The only problem is that it's a nerf to Fizz's early game, which is really bad to begin with, and slight buff to late game fizz which isn't good. Still won't help his late game in a significant way after the banshees and GA changes.
Who is Taliyah1 votesThanks for explaining it thoroughly.
Pommel Knight1 votesNo problem, any time.
SexyBabyJesusZ1 voteswtf is this buff?????????
holy shit.....
Dryad Soraka1 votesbuff all around
as if he wasn't anti-fun enough
R0XTAR1 votesGraves is not a nerf.. are you blind? All the damage is put into the second Q now. 160% AD ratio are you fucking serious Riot?
All they did was nerf early game. This changes NOTHING. Level 16 comes and they will be just as terrible as they are now.
Edit: They removed 60 DAMAGE to add another 40% AD ratio. Two items more than makes up for that now with the small AD buffs to ADC items.
