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Can We Please Change The Nidalee Nerfs Coming A Little Bit To Help Lane Nidalee?

Menchies·5/24/2016, 11:24:54 PM·33 votes·2,257 views

Nidalee Pounce (Cougar W) cooldown reset on W to Hunter Targets and killing units in Cougar lowered to 3/2.5/2/1.5 seconds from 1.5s at all ranks.

I understand that these nerfs are a good nerf to balance out jungle nidalee and good job to riot for this! But I don't think riot ever thinks about the people that play Nidalee Top (Like Myself) or even Nidalee Mid. I understand that these nerfs will affect her early clear by quite a bit making her slightly harder to play in the jungle, but can we please make it so that like for say the pounce cooldown only gets reduced to 3 seconds vs minions/monsters and 1.5 against champions? Hitting a spear in lane is from my experience quite a bit harder because people could hide behind minions or people just get to see the whole cast time and dodge, but anyways I feel like landing a spear should feel rewarding because most of the time it is very easy to dodge and I feel like if your laning again her you should get punished for getting hit by her spear, say if i pounced in level 5 or 6 for a quick trade and then I want to leap out, I have to wait 3 or 2.5 seconds allowing them to do alot more back to you than they should be. Please, and if you still find it to rewarding to hit spear change the width to make it really hard to land from range like say change the width of 40 to 30 or 25 or something like that. Lane Nidalees not in the best spot right now but she is and will be what I love to play for a long time (specifically Bruiser Nidalee), I really don't want her laning phase to get any weaker, it already took a pretty big hit from the early takedown nerfs that happened a while ago. Please do something to help the Nidalee lane players Riot <3. I know I will probably get more downvotes than upvotes due to the reason of people just blatantly hating Nidalee but that's ok, I just really wanna get my opinion out and I hope someone in the balance team does end up seeing this and maybe considering! Thank you for reading, Have a Great Day!

34 Comments

Phoenix Kotori 5/24/2016, 11:30:43 PM16 votes

+1 Lane Nidalee has already suffered so much from all the nerfs aimed at her jungle.

ReformedBoyRioy5/24/2016, 11:30:12 PM6 votes

I agree and I see your point, I would feel a little bad for nidalee top and mid players that would get affected by this, riot should look into it.[slayer-jinx-catface]

1000angrybees5/25/2016, 3:42:10 AM4 votes

honestly? Jungle nidalee scares the shit out of me, but lane nidalee is so laughably easy to handle that she can lose lane to just about any half baked mid.

Throw any support mage in there and they can shit on her anyday anytime. Its a little sad to see her like that.

PhDs Nuts5/24/2016, 11:33:47 PM4 votes

No.

The order of events is Problem -> Complain -> Tunnel Vision Nerf -> Fallout -> Tweak/Ignore

You must follow Riot procedure

SwiftKitten885/25/2016, 6:12:34 PM3 votes

i agree this pounce change is stupid.. i really miss playing nidalee mid and top lane, they are already barely viable because of the excessive nerfs to her that were directed at her "jungle"

like the removal of % hp on traps did absolutely nothing to hurt her jungle, all they had to do to accomplish the exact same thing was to lower the pre-existing cap vs monsters on lvl 1 traps from 200 to 50

all that did was completely destroy her support role

nerf her trap vision placement? again just hurts scouting.. which considering stuff like shako boxes teemo shrooms jhin traps give vision the ENTIRE TIME, and nid traps only do when triggered

the spear duration time? what like the jungle mobs care? this just hurt her laning.. in the jungle she is throwing spears from fog of war anyways

the removal of root?

what so now you make it so all the players below plat can no longer jungle with her so u can SLIGHTLY lower her clear speed? i mean seroiusly we dont ALL have the mechanics to kite perfectly like master and challenger players.

some of us played nid for years and learned her in the LANING phase.. and only took her jungle becuase YOU FORCED US TO!!! im sure you can come up with a nerf to her that doesn't make her near impossiple to play for lower elos.. let alone anyone below level 30 that are new player.. you try clearing the jungle with only 10 runes and masteries unlocked? its pretty freaking hard to not get executed on the third camp.. HELL i have been playing nid jungle for a YEAR i have been playing nid for THREE years.. and i STILL cant do it on my smurf.

i mean riot i LOVE the new nid splash arts... they look AMAZING but they don't mean ANYTHING if you to to make it so i cant even PLAY the champ anymore

Keti5/25/2016, 5:59:55 PM3 votes

They didn't give a damn about lane kindred before taking a huge axe to it, even harder than jg kindred. Was actually viable enough to succeed in high diamond in top,mid and sometimes adc. But not anymore, especially after the upcoming nerfs that further shoehorn the champion into the jungle.

Rip my 400k mastery dumped into kindred top. I pray for your nidalane survival.

metaworldpeace105/25/2016, 5:44:26 AM2 votes

I understand the desire to buff lane Nidalee while also nerfing jungle Nidalee, but I still remember the dark days of AD Nidalee top in season 4 and how stupidly broken she was. As long as riot steers FAR away from AD bruiser Nidalee, then I think it would be appropriate to buff lane Nidalee. Maybe with the new ap item changes she's won't be as oppressive in lane as she once was? I'm not sure, but Nidalee is a very difficult champ to balance, you give her an inch and she takes a mile.

HowPlayGAEM5/25/2016, 10:35:23 AM2 votes

Yes!

Please help out Lane Nidalee. I don't really care WHERE, she can even be a support, just make her PLAYABLE in lane.

I've got 3 skins for her that I can't even use because I'm awful at jungling, and when I bought Nid she wasn't a jungler!

This also brings up another point: Meta balancing.

There are quite a few jungle champs that simply cannot function (or BARELY work with really awful winrates) anywhere else besides jungle. Champs like Shyvana, Vi, Nidalee, Yi, Xin, etc.

http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana/Top

I mean good lord, 40%. That's fucking AWFUL, and Shyv top used to be completely legit.

IMO this is indicative of a serious but obfuscated balance issue, and not addressing it just keeps causing problems.

Strayble5/25/2016, 1:06:34 AM2 votes

Nid top main here, I almost cried when I saw the nerfs. I'm with you man. RIOT PLEASE LISTEN!

z63XnLCMwX5/24/2016, 11:31:26 PM2 votes

Allow nidalee spears to pierce through minions, remove their damage per distance effect, tweaks some ratios.

Wild Geese5/25/2016, 1:19:29 AM1 votes

Up her base damage, simple and effective to making her better in lane.

KVbqbFsC8e5/25/2016, 10:42:24 PM1 votes

Just do a complete rework. Whether it was the insane jungle clearing Nidalee, midlane spear nuke Nidalee, or toplane bruiser Nidalee, she has never been balanced or not dreadful to play against.