Please spare Lucian...

Avious·Dec 1, 2014·3 votes·981 views

Lucian has been a real balance problem for quite some time. However, Riot is really overdoing it (again...). He's been pretty balanced since his last nerf and the new one is completely unnecessary and will just make him undertuned. Specifically (taken from surrender @ 20):

Lightslinger (Passive) damage of second shot reduced to 30/40/50% (at 1/7/13) from 50% Lightslinger (Passive) duration down to 2 seconds from 6.

I am by no means a Lucian main and I used to hate Lucian for being such a broken ADC, but this is no longer the case. Riot, you need to stop. We don't want another Kassadin, Shyvana, Twitch, Elise etc...

23 Comments

EffectFXDec 1, 20144 votes

Kassadin is still seeing competitive play, Shyvana was only affected by the rise in popularity of range tops, not any changes to her kit or items. Twitch is still a incredibly powerful ADC, I've still seen Elise perform well, especially in this new jungle.

In short, you need better examples.

AviousDec 1, 20141 votes

Every champion can perform well in certain situations. However, I don't consider champions with a win rate below 45% balanced, let alone strong. I usually don't care about win rates and will still play the champion I want even at 10% win rate however I can't ignore the fact that they underperform. Not saying that Lucian will be Olaf'd if the changes ship, just that they are unnecessary especially the huge early game damage reduction.

EffectFXDec 2, 20141 votes

Plenty of champions with low win rates have seen (or are staples in competitive play) competitive play. Win rate alone as a statistic is completely meaningless, you need to add additional factors such as pick rate, ban rate, etc.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 1, 20143 votes

Lucian's passive needed to be stomped. It was broke. I played him two times, and decided it was unfair to even play him :|. Have you never autod + Q + passive + auto and got two crits due to the passive? It's basically a first blood at level 1. And, you want to know the sad part about this . . . it's spammable.

SorisDynastyDec 2, 20141 votes

So on level 1 you normally have enough critchance to get two crits off with Lightslinger? No. His passive needs nerfs, yes. But your point is like... bad. You said it yourself: You only played him two times. Not possible crits on level 1 (lol.) made it so strong. The high starting damage of the 2nd shot + the zoning potential of the six seconds he can hold the buff make it so strong.

RaiyzaDec 1, 20143 votes

Lucian needs this. Lucian will still be able to dish more damage than most ADCs during his rotation, but at least with this change he'll be a bit manageable.

Player of GamesDec 1, 20142 votes

I hope this doesn't go through, this is seriously unnecessary imo. If they wanted to nerf him in a healthy way, they could just reduce the damage on his Q, nerfing his identity (passive) isn't the way to go.

shppyDec 1, 20141 votes

'nerfing his passive isn't the way to go'... yet it's exactly what Riven and her passive got, and hers is still weaker than Lucian's will be by a wide margin.

But no, god forbid the ADc gets dealt with even close to the same as the melee.

Player of GamesDec 1, 20145 votes

Riven and Lucian aren't synonymous enough to be comparing their passives and how differently they should be treated. Riven is a hypermobile manaless melee champ with 4 dashes and tons of AOE, her passive doesn't need to be any stronger for her to be in good standing. Lucians passive is the reason why he's Lucian, and I'll agree maybe having a 50% scaling double shot early game is overbearing but I feel that it'd be healthier to just tone down the Q damage rather than nerf something that makes him.

He's already been hit with the nerfbat repeatedly in terms of range, utility, and damage, it's not like he's a godtier post-rework ADC anymore, there's still Corki/Graves and other adcs that can stand up to him.

metaworldpeace10Dec 1, 20141 votes

Riven and Lucian aren't synonymous enough to be comparing their passives and how differently they should be treated. Riven is a hypermobile manaless melee champ with 4 dashes and tons of AOE, her passive doesn't need to be any stronger for her to be in good standing. Lucians passive is the reason why he's Lucian, and I'll agree maybe having a 50% scaling double shot early game is overbearing but I feel that it'd be healthier to just tone down the Q damage rather than nerf something that makes him.

He's already been hit with the nerfbat repeatedly in terms of range, utility, and damage, it's not like he's a godtier post-rework ADC anymore, there's still Corki/Graves and other adcs that can stand up to him.

I totally agree. He's had his W nerfed multiple times, his R nerfed his e nerfed and now his passive nerfed without any compensation at all. I think nerfing his passive is the wrong way to go.

DirewolfiezDec 1, 20143 votes

His W was never intended to be a damage skill, it was supposed to be a utility skill that, coupled with his ult and his E, turns him into a great chaser. His ult was on an incredibly low CD for how useful it was, and his E was one of his most infuriating points (mobility + slow removal = uncatchable without hard CC or a lucky root). His early burst is still scary as hell, I don't know why you're complaining.

shppyDec 1, 20141 votes

You mean the way Riven's had her W nerfed multiple times, her ult cd nerfed, her Q nerfed, her base stats (especially regen) nerfed, and her passive nerfed harder than Lucian's?

'He's been nerfed x times already' isn't ever a valid argument, especially when none of the nerfs have stopped him from being overpowered.

metaworldpeace10Dec 1, 20142 votes

I agree. Lucian has been nerfed repeatedly in almost every aspect since his range nerf. If they want to nerf his passive, I'd like to see it scale like 40%-45%-50% and reduce the duration of his passive to 3 seconds. Honestly though, the most OP part of Lucian was his q, that's what needs to be nerfed.

DirewolfiezDec 1, 20141 votes

He's been a monster ever since he got repeatedly buffed. If you really don't think he deserves more nerfs, start playing against him as other carries or supports, he's a terror.

AviousDec 1, 20141 votes

I am actually a support main and I sometimes play ADC again. I have laned with and against Lucian several times and I think he is ok now.

DirewolfiezDec 1, 20141 votes

His early burst is terrifying (took out 1/4 of my hp as Ez with Pick and Dorans with just Q + passive), and yet he has a decent late game and good dueling potential because of the synergy of his passive + IE. Yeah, he's fine, no nerfs needed.

MotherChurchDec 1, 20141 votes

I want my damn IP back, just bought this champ last week and now he is going to be worthless.

Riot should avoid gutting the core identity of a champion.

DirewolfiezDec 1, 20141 votes

rito, I bought him two months ago, can i has refund because nerfs OP? [sarcasm]

Seriously, just try playing him post-nerfs instead of whining about how he's trash-tier now that he got a few nerfs.

Riot should avoid gutting the core identity of a champion.

"gutting" lol His passive is was so easy to abuse it was stupid. Now people will actually have to think before they use it.

AnidanDec 1, 20143 votes

They didn't ruin the identity. You want to see a champion whose identity was actually ruined? Cassiopeia.

Now quit whining that your passive got nerfed.

daikiryDec 1, 20141 votes

They didn't ruin the identity. You want to see a champion whose identity was actually ruined? Cassiopeia.

Now quit whining that your passive got nerfed.

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and holy shit you guys really whining over a well deserved nerf on lucian? He's been sucha reliable pick since his realease, he does well at all stages of the game, he has a broken passive, ....it's ridiculous, he deserves even more nerfs.