@Riot The grade system

Kank·6/4/2016, 7:54:49 PM·38 votes·4,170 views

I just had very pretty slow game, Ashe/Janna vs Caitlyn/Braum ,so we were basically just farming, but our both botlane comps allowed us to follow ganks very well.

As you can see enemy midlaner and jungler ganked us. We didn't notice trundle coming from tribush and our ward other ward just expired, so we could prepare for this gank better. But its not the case. Janna ended up with stats 0/2/3 and got C+ even though she supported me very well. We won this game btw, opponents surrendered at 20. It wasn't really a stomp though.

What I mean is this janna could get a better grade if she just let me die there. At this point I had killing spree so she died for me. Perhaps my death wouldn't be so impactful for the game, but Riot listen: You are rewarding players, with higher grade, for being SELFISH @Riot What is the goal of the grade system. You are splitting one game into 10 minigames where players are fighting, and stealing kills just to get higher grade. What is the grade system supposed to do?

TL;DR - veri sad, grade system iz not cool, I cry.

48 Comments

GhaelWinds6/4/2016, 8:51:22 PM11 votes

Riot: "We're implementing masteries to grade people on an individual level. Actual: people play less as a team to get a better score. Riot: "we are bringing in DQ to promote team play and not grading people individually" Me: "make up your minds! Am I playing solo, or as a team! Your confusing me!!"

Cookimonster3166/4/2016, 11:06:42 PM6 votes

Real supports don't care about grades :P

CarameI Frappe6/4/2016, 10:50:44 PM6 votes

Preach man. I have to literally KILL STEAL my ADC for the system to grade me higher ... as a SUPPORT. Also the system is flawed- I can place a ward down wherever / whenever without a care and the more wards = better my grade gets. Why not grade me if my ward catches enemies in sight? Why not reward me if my death allowed my team to ace the enemy team or earn an objective? It rewards players for being selfish like you said.

Doesn't help that to obtain mastery 6 & 7, you must do it through the hextech system. Like, seriously ...??

Looknook6/4/2016, 11:15:14 PM3 votes

The grade you get at the end of a game is more than just your Kills/Deaths/Assists. It also has to do with other random things like warding and a few other random stats. I've seen players get amazing KDA's and then wonder why they didn't get an S.

Vik4prez6/5/2016, 7:25:34 AM3 votes

I had a game of Poro King earlier as Thresh where I went 5/5/36 with kill participation in 41 out of 53 kills my team got, but only received an A+. That's about as good of a game as I could have had as full tank Thresh and it wasn't even deserving of an S-. Getting more hextech chests as a solo player is truly a nightmare.

Sancre6/5/2016, 2:34:21 AM3 votes

After some time trying to get jhin to grade 7, i'm seriously starting to see jhin support as viable, as no matter how fed I end, i just get a+. 25/5? a+ has been the worst

escape6/6/2016, 3:57:34 PM2 votes

Exactly! I play premade with friends and we do setups to get someone an S grade... everyone else die for the person and give him kills and it's easy to get the grade that way. Basically that person just KS and be as selfish as possible and can sacrifice team to get a perfect and high kda...

ZeeWolfZ6/5/2016, 10:39:26 PM2 votes

She needs to get 200 CS to get an S.

Let your support Farm.

Stop being selfish.

Wheatloaf6/4/2016, 11:22:16 PM2 votes

Mastery grade is based off the champion's stats across all games on the server. Janna being Janna, her stats involve a lot less deaths than most.

Sancre6/6/2016, 11:38:03 AM1 votes

The system isn't consistent, ill present you some examples I experienced

2nd match as support Jhin (Lost)

4/8/26 135 minion 49 wards

S Rank

3rd match as support Jhin (Won)

12/6/14 ,145 minions, 57 wards

took out 5 turrets and a dragon

Rank a+

Something feels weird here or its just me?

For supports the most graded seems to be asistences, and wards, not just wards set, but removed with the red trinket, as it was another diference between first example and second, in the first one i bough ward stone and red trinket, in the second one kept yellow trinket and ward stone to boost my warding rate for the experiment of ward value on supporting

Communist Toast6/6/2016, 3:27:37 PM1 votes

she couldn't have supported you that well if she only got 3 assists

Sancre6/6/2016, 10:58:00 PM1 votes

For adc's its all about kills/farm

As some user said, there seems to be a proportion kill/dead adecuate for getting s rank, this seems to apply to everyone but supports

Adc Jhin 21/2/7 212 minions 31 minutes in

Rank S+

zlumpy6/6/2016, 11:21:41 PM1 votes

What if they add an F grade that forces you to replay the match over again!?

Nami Used Bubble6/5/2016, 6:07:20 AM1 votes

I stopped playing ranked recently because of this crap. Had a brilliant jungler in the first half of the game, pretty much a guaranteed win but later he decided he wasn't going to participate in any sort of teamfight or objective in case he lost his S-worthy score and we got stomped hard because of it. It doesn't help that I've been in promos four times now and if this guy had played consistently, I could have finally gotten past that hurdle but nah, KDA is more important now than LP.

Kank6/5/2016, 10:23:00 AM1 votes

The point of this thread is, that I feel like people often have a choice to save their grade or to save the game. Pretty sure there are some people that prefers to surrender as 12/1/2 when their team is not doing great to keep their S rather than trying to win.

Wamuudes6/5/2016, 11:27:25 AM1 votes

Many players arleady play Selfish, already snipe/steal kills, already DO let their allies die in favor of not dying themselves.

The Grade system is meaningless unless you're trying to get Hextech stuff. IF you're playing to win the game itself, don't worry about the grade.

Wild Geese6/5/2016, 8:26:36 PM1 votes
  1. Always buy 2 pinks every back, always place
  2. Steal every kill you can.
  3. Always Place your green trinket wards
  4. Buy Sightstone, always place
  5. Don't upgrade trinket, 2 wards are better than 1!
  6. Buy Ruby Sightstone..
  7. Hopefully you can get Soulstealer and Deathcap and are 20-0.
  8. Lose game.
  9. S RANK!
Kenioshi2 sequel6/5/2016, 11:01:47 PM1 votes

The main reason she got a C+ is because the game only lasted 20min and she's 0/2/3 the highest rating she could have gotten would be a B-/+ if she had a bit of cs

kaltenashes6/5/2016, 11:35:02 PM1 votes

idk how it works, had a really bad early game with zillean support, i gave enemy adc around 4 or 5 kills ='( (report zillean plz) but when my team grouped the cc was just too much that we won and somehow the system gave me a freaking S-

ok i'll take, meanwhile my mid laner, the true carry of my team, didnt get an S

another system from rito that doesnt works, ohh thats new

lolchemy6/5/2016, 11:46:37 PM1 votes

Even worse in the rotating game modes. In general, doing things that actually help teams win doesn't give high mastery ratings in those modes....so I've found people just go for those stats instead. Def Not Dom was the worst...I had whole teams who wouldn't ever stay in lane or take the objectives, just try to get kills in the jungle....all game.

Çhåryzård6/5/2016, 11:50:36 PM1 votes

To be honest the grading system isn't very good at grading supports for anything in the first place.

While every other role is supposed to prioritize kills over assists, supports prioritize assists over kills, and assists are worth less than kills. Last time I got an S on a support I had to get 40 assists and the only reason I got that much was because the game went on for a very very long time.

I believe warding does contribute to it, but I'm still warding the most and destroying the most wards on my team. I get sightstone ever game, I always use up my charges before going back to the shop. Warding seems to not contribute much at all, which is detrimental to supports because it makes up a big part of the role.

Gold contributes too, and supports are hurt in this category also. Supports do not earn as much gold usually as the rest of the team in general (although depending on how your teammates did you might have more than one or two). Supports do have ways of getting gold as far as support items go, and I will take cs later in the game or when my adc is not in lane, but it I still don't earn as much as my other teammates especially if they are fed.

I usually do a good job at supporting, after all, it is my main role. I have gotten many of my adc's S roles because I helped get them fed so they could fend for themselves most of the time....yet I never get an S.

One recent game I went 1/0/6, my Jhin adc who I had some REALLY great saves on, went 5/0/5. I believe my adc got an S- and I got an A. We both played our roles perfectly, and the game only lasted 20 minutes since the enemy forfeited, yet the system does not grade supports accurately. The support role is played much differently than the other as far as k/d/a goes, so supports generally do not earn S ranks because the system is looking for kills more than assists.

Another game, I go 2/1/11, my adc goes 9/0/3. He gets an S rank, meanwhile I get an A again even though I was the one who got him kills and kept him alive. He got fed at the beginning because of me, the rest he did himself. The system doesn't recognize that I played my role correctly, because I'm not fed in kills. Game lasted 24 minutes, I had the least gold but the most wards placed out of everyone that game, with a total of 15 wards.

KDA does play a factor in grading, but supports are not played as the other roles are and can not be graded the same. It will not be accurate. I will not have the largest amount of gold since I am the only one in game not cs'ing for half the time, I will not be fed in kills unless I ks my team, and that goes directly against how my role is played. My job is to ward, which I do, to save my teammates and keep them safe, and to secure kills for teammates.

I am working on getting assists, not on feeding myself. My job is to feed others, and because of it I do not earn S ranks.