Mages should have to deal with mana management

CrazFight ·Apr 18, 2018·9 votes·1,618 views

Nerfing mana items could potentially bring mana management back into league, even slightly. Instead of taliyah q'ing the wave twice, running back to her tower (Maybe roaming if 6), and then repeating, she will have to take more risks and perhaps make a more interactive laning experience. It could also mean, that without the ability to 24/7 spam abilities to clear waves asap, she could potentially spend less time roaming botlane, so that the current "4 v 2" botlane crap doesn't happen as often.

I played back in the early seasons when mana management was a large part of league, now adays riot has given so many tools to mana hungry champs. So Maybe I'm a little bias, but I see Mana management as a way to express a players skill, which I think league is lacking atm.

19 Comments

RAINBOW GUMDROPSApr 18, 20183 votes

So mages should have to deal with mana issues to try and do as much damage while conserving their mana, in order to compete with an adcs auto attack damage?

CrazFight Apr 18, 20182 votes

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So mages should have to deal with mana issues to try and do as much damage while conserving their mana, in order to compete with an adcs auto attack damage?

Mages should be able to stay at a distance to where adc's can't get free auto's off them. Sadly this isn't true right now with items like rapid fire cannon, which I don't think adc's should have an option as an item.

WalkingInACircleApr 18, 20183 votes

And what benefits should they possess for this drawback?

CrazFight Apr 18, 20181 votes

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And what benefits should they possess for this drawback?

I think i answered it with my other replies, if not tell me.

Big LincolnApr 18, 20185 votes

having most of the highest impact spells in the game

J EevoApr 18, 20181 votes

Mage item update did the exact opposite of that, adding mana and cdr to items while reducing the ap. They want higher impact and less spam, should revert those or else the design philosophy remains inconsistent

KhristophorosApr 18, 20182 votes

That's fine but get all these manaless fuckers out of mid lane. I want my opponent to have to manage mana too.

CrazFight Apr 18, 20182 votes

I think an argument against that is, that manaless champions are more restrained at the items they can purchase, because they don't want to invest a large portion of there gold into an item that provides a large pot of mana. I can see where your coming from tho.

KhristophorosApr 18, 20181 votes

Being able to rush items like Gunblade or Duskblade without worrying about having to buy mana items is a huge advantage. This argument that they are missing out on something is disingenuous bullshit.

J EevoApr 18, 20182 votes

Except that also goes the other way because mana gated champions need to buy mana to function. You think people don't want to maybe get an early rylai or get that massive ap amp from rabadon? There's no diversity in item builds if everyone has to build mana to function.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEApr 18, 20182 votes

mana item nerf are justified . They got manaflow band and its enough. 250 extra mana and mana regen based on missing mana is way too broken .

Death by GlamourApr 18, 20181 votes

I agreed with and upvoted this thread butthese changes will have to be followed up woth straight nerfs to several manaless modlaners.

chipndip1Apr 18, 20181 votes

I agree.

However, bot lane mana-dependent supports already have a hard time with mana and Riot hasn't shown concern for that yet. That's where I'm seeing an issue.

BlåbæretApr 18, 20181 votes

OK, but what about ADCs with IE + Shiv and resourcless champions then?

CrazFight Apr 18, 20181 votes

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OK, but what about ADCs with IE + Shiv and resourcless champions then?

Adc's dmg needs to be nerfed in general, and imo adc's shouldn't have shiv as an item choice, but it doesn't seem likely that item will be removed.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20181 votes

So basically you should also argue we should increase spell damage drastically, otherwise you don't have an argument since ADC's get mana free damage.

CrazFight Apr 18, 20181 votes

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So basically you should also argue we should increase spell damage drastically, otherwise you don't have an argument since ADC's get mana free damage.

Maybe that would be an option to explore later, but I don't think thats the main problem right now. Adc's have always been able to get mana less free damage, but they haven't always been as op as they are now.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20182 votes

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Maybe that would be an option to explore later, but I don't think thats the main problem right now. Adc's have always been able to get mana less free damage, but they haven't always been as op as they are now.

Uh no. I'm not having one of these "I can't theory craft correctly so we deal with it later excuses. That is what everyone is tired with.