How to make Support "Better"

Sonasaurous··10 votes·933 views

Well, you can't. Besides the fact that the concept of making something "better" is purely subjective, the role of support is actually, for the most part, fine as it is.

tl;dr: The support role in general could use more items, but there's nothing actually wrong with support as a role. Get over it.

What do people who want support to be "better" mean by making it "better"? Well golly gee, it seems people who get autofilled into support want to go into support expecting to be able to solo carry the game. Which, as a support, you can do just that. Except on your KDA it shows on your assists, not your kills.

So what, general grievances are:

  1. Support shouldn't have to buy sightstone (fun fact, if people actually used their free wards, support probably wouldn't have to buy sightstone. But mid and top and the adc can't be bothered to place a ward after laning phase--and the excuse of "but it takes up an item slot" is no longer valid. Though to be fair, jungle could also buy sightstone--if not make more effective use out of it than support--but junglers don't do this either because "muh damage tho")
  2. Support is always under leveled and/or doesn't make as much gold as the rest of the team (a consequence of sharing a lane and not taking any CS and, theoretically, not taking any kills. Sure, the gold income items try to make up for this, but support will always have less gold)
  3. Traditional support champions like Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Janna Karma Leona Nami Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh don't do any damage unless they forgo the support item build and instead only build offensively (which this complaint seems tied more to adding offensive stats to traditional support items, like item 3190 item 3222...shit I don't know, since item 3504 item 3092 item 3107 item 3050 have damage tied to them.)

So the general consensus of autofilled support players is that they say "fuck support", and then take Annie Brand Lulu Lux Morgana Nidalee Zyra as support, mostly ignores buying a sightstone while saying "I'm NOT support" and then tryhards all over the game as they assume if they let the adc farm CS then they're "supporting". But then when the game doesn't work out in their favor and they still realize that they're behind in gold and under leveled, they come to the boards and complain that support sucks and needs to be changed.

And honestly, the only valid complaint about support is that there isn't a lot of variety in support itemization. Generally you can be good buying one or two "support intended" items and then build full AP or tank afterwards and everything will still work out fine.

Of the general grievances, the issue of support getting sightstone is a stigma placed on the position by the community. Sightstone in itself is not inherently terrible as an item. item 2049 gives 150 health and three rechargable wards, and item 2045 gives 500 health, 20% active item cooldown reduction, and 4 rechargable wards. Then people complained that it was not item slot efficient for supports to have to invest in both a sightstone and upgraded gold trinket, so Riot listened to the community and created sightstone/gold trinket hybrids, which, again, are not inherently terrible items. item 2303 gives 500 health, 200% health regen, 2 gold per 10 seconds, shares minion gold and health with an ally, and has 4 rechargable wards. item 2302 has 200 health, 100% health and mana regen, 10% cooldown reduction, grants 6 gold and 10 health on minion deaths, and has 4 rechargable wards. item 2301 has 200 health, 100% mana regen, 25 ability power, 10% cooldown reduction, 2 gold per 10 seconds, 15 additional damage to enemies and grants 15 gold on hit, and has 4 rechargable wards.

Like, these sightstone/gold trinket hybrids are so overloaded in stats that if they were champions people would be losing their shit over how overloaded they are. But again, they're not terrible. They're not even bad. Last I checked, health was a good stat on any champion in any role.

Sure, as support building an actual support build, item 2045 is the best option because of that 20% active item cooldown reduction. Get item 2045 with item 3092item 3190item 3222 and you're good to go for teamfights every other minute.

But even for the mage supports, item 2301 is not bad. Yes, it doesn't have the active of item 3092, but if you really have your panties in a twist over losing an item slot to item 2049 then it is obviously within your best interests to forgo item 3092 and just get item 2301 instead and then build your normal AP build. Sure, you get 25 less ability power than if you bought frost queen, but then you also don't have that extra 500 health you keep bitching about having to buy (or let's be realistic, 150 health because mage supports don't actually upgrade past item 2049 ).

And besides, you know what other role could also buy sightstone and use it way more effectively? Jungle, since they can more easily place deep jungle wards. Because realistically, when a support is buying a sightstone as their first item, those three wards are bot until mid game. How in the hell are three wards bot supposed to help mid or top? Of course, if mid got a sightstone, then both Rift Herald and Dragon could be warded at all times. If top got a sightstone, they would literally never have the right to complain about ganks ever again.

Food for thought.

Second grievance, supports are under leveled and have less gold then everyone else. Yep. Welp. If support went top lane, you'd have the same problem. Whenever two champions are in a lane, they have to share experience. So naturally, support and adc are going to be under leveled together for a while. And realistically, unless your adc gets fed af, both the support and adc are going to be the same level throughout laning phase. But where are the complaints that adc is under leveled? Oh right, true, cuz if the adc starts complaining that if the support is stealing the exp (like when a support accidentally takes CS or KS's), then the support will leave and the adc will forget how to function or something.

How do you realistically hope to fix this? Make it so support champions get bonus exp growth in lane? But what defines a support champion--because as the mage support players like to point out, apparently any champion can support. Make it so the player in the support role in champion select gets bonus exp growth in game? But what if they switch with someone else and don't go support? What about blind pick players?

Experience sharing is simply a part of the game. Unless Riot added a laning item that boosted experience--oh wait, then everyone would buy that, so nope, can't do that.

Sucks to suck.

Third grievance, traditional supports don't do enough damage to solo carry the game, hence autofillers will take mage supports. As a Sona main, I laugh at that. "Traditional supports don't do damage." Lol. K. Never seen a Blitzcrank support pull everyone to their instant death? I have, every game with a Blitz. And don't tell anyone, but Janna's W is lowkey OP af. But you didn't hear that from me.

Just admit you don't actually play "traditional supports" and thus you don't know their damage potential, even if their build has item 2045item 3190item 3222 and boots and only two damage items. : ^)

So yeah. Support themselves are not in a bad place right now. Honestly, I like the diversity of support right now except for Zyra fucking gut her Rito please. If there is any significant problem with supports, it's that there is not a lot of support items to choose from. But the reason for that lies in the history of item 3092, because if an item intended for a support is too good, then non-support champions will start taking it and then it's not a support item anymore. If they make AP support items with good stats, AP mages will start taking them. If they make tanky support items with good stats, tanks will start taking them.

Supports can't have nice things because other roles keep ruining it for them.

27 Comments

Emojay6 votes

As a support main, I must say that I like the idea of a Jungler sightstone. Maybe even several. It here's the thing wrong with your post. LULU IS A FREAKING SUPPORT JUST NOBODY PLAYS HER LIKE THAT SHES ACTUALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF HER W AND IT CAN DEFEND AGAINST THIS ASSASAIN META UUUUGH

Sonasaurous2 votes

That's totally fair, I play Lulu and everything...except I wasn't sure if I should list her with the traditional supports or mage supports, so I omitted her in general hoping no one would notice...

edit: because she strong af on her own. Like, Lulu doing her own thing and everything right now.

Chaosedge1 votes

We already have a Jungler Sightstone. item 3711 Nuff Said.

Comes with Two Stealth Wards, although Riot should REALLY change that to Three.

Emojay1 votes

I was more leaning towards one for all builds for the Jungler. Not all junglers will want to get something like this, because it may stray from the enitial build.

Emojay1 votes

I can't find a SINGLE lulu match that you played.... you disgust me..... You taste gray... not purple..... COME ON, PIX! LETS GET OUT OF HERE! -walks out of forum post-

Sonasaurous1 votes

I played one like two weeks ago XD

I've been playing a lot of Garen and Miss Fortune lately...but I don't have to explain myself to you.

Have a lovely day. XD

DeadlinWalking1 votes

err poachers upgrade = 2 wards.

Marshbouy3 votes

There is a high chance that this post won't reach hot but i love you to death for writing it. The people who "want the best for support" will ruin the position.

BTW, if you want a good laugh, i've seen people bitch about high playrate champions. They say that if there was a 25% playrate support that it would be instantly hot fixed and gutted. Meanwhile thresh sat at a nice 22-25% playrate for the whole season (or at the least most of it).

Sonasaurous1 votes

Aw, thanks fam. :)

Yeah, I've been sitting with a bowl of popcorn scrolling through the boards today.

Wow, I have no life...

Marshbouy1 votes

You're welcome fam. I spend my whole life on the boards now.

Leo10243 votes

The only thing i'd like to see is a new support champion since we've had

3 top laners (illaoi kled and new champ Camille)

2 junglers (kindred and ivern, 3 if you count Camille since she works very well in the jungle)

2 mid mages (taliyah who got gutted and Aurelion who is still strong)

and

2 adcs(i count kindred as an adc, and jhin who has been god tier since release)

and through all of this we've gotten one support before all of them and that was TahmKench who isn't even that fun after a few games (no i'm not biased against him, i reached level 4 with kench and got severely bored of him)

and don't try to say ivern is a support because you and I and every adc main know damn well he isn't a support

Sonasaurous1 votes

Yeah, the last two supports have been Braum and TahmKench, and honestly I dislike both of them simply because I don't like playing tank support.

I'd love to see another utility support released. Though my concern for that would be if a new champion made an old one obsolete.

Risk of Fate3 votes

Experience sharing is simply a part of the game. Unless Riot added a laning item that boosted experience--oh wait, then everyone would buy that, so nope, can't do that.

Why not put on a Sightstone and everytime you place a ward, you get a small amount like 10 or so. Just a thought.

However, I really would love just more situational items I can build and not have to settle on losing stats to make room for another. Damage amplification of some sort would be nice. I run that Expose Weakness while I'm Lux which helps in trading.

That and for the love of all that is Holy please buff bot towers. I'm really, really, really, did I mention really? TIRED of having to deal with level 2 ganks, dying once and losing a tower, backing and losing that tower or in a single wave have that thing at half health or better. Most of the time I'm too scared to back and also try to stagger recalls with my carry so someone is always there to defend it. /rant

Sonasaurous2 votes

Yes, a million times yes, bot towers need to be buffed. I dunno what Riot was thinking when they nerfed them.

Risk of Fate1 votes

It had something to do with boring lane swaps. The changes just turned 45 minute close matches into 15 minute stomps. Take first turret, that's a guaranteed first item when you back since it was about 1400g or so. At least when I managed to get it, I went from 1100g to close to 3000 which bought me my Morello's and some boots.

Silverjust1 votes

but then they should also buff the other outer towers, because they ended the laneswap-meta with the nerf

Marshbouy2 votes

I did calculations on the gold efficiency of the warding items and you can get 200% gold efficiency from the item with ease if you ward and utilize the passives.

Sonasaurous2 votes

Honestly, 10/10 games where I'm support I go item 2045 and item 3092. Absolute ZERO regrets. I don't feel like I'm wasting gold at all when I'm able to hunt people down every 72 seconds.

BlueBilberry2 votes

First, I think you under-estimate poke support as a true support role. If you can knock the adc and other support down in health and leave them cowering so that your adc can gain more feed, then that is another role filled.

Second, given that you come from a bronze background, then you are also probably familiar with the "blame support" garbage that happens the lower ranks. Even if you play a support in the roles that you originally suggest, then you get ignorant adcs at the lower tiers who insist on the Soraka "get in front of me and be my meat shield" (BTW I am quoting from chat a normal game I was in). Misunderstanding of support roles are not limited to just support players, it seems.

Third, an item that gives experience is not out of the question - however, it would have to be probably tied to something which would hurt a player's ability to do damage compared with other potential choices. Oh, wait - isn't that most of the warding items out there?

Fourth, the combination of items that you list as good for team fights is good for team-fights maybe in the early-middle game (barely). After that point, support is nearly deadweight as you get into the elder dragon and baron brawls.

Lastly, please edit your comments before posting. ;)

Sonasaurous1 votes

I'm gonna go out of order, since I've been triggered by the "you come from a bronze background." Bruh, you are silver 5 and most of your recently played games have been bot games. Like what is your point that I'm bronze? Lol. XD But generally, in terms of your "second," there are a lot of different ways to go about support. I get that, I never actually denied that. This post is just a comment on common complaints about the generalization of support as a role.

Anyways, my post in general is not an all in-depth guide to every type of support. You'll notice it's mostly about generalizations made about supports, and I generally divide that into "traditional supports" (in which I am referring to champions that are usually only played as support) and "mage supports" (self-explanatory)--in which this does not go into the individual play style of every support (and I exclude discussion of tank supports for the most part?). So I find your "first" irrelevant?

"Third" and "Fouth"...now wait a minute, am I sensing a lowkey despise for support role? "support is nearly deadweight as you get into the elder dragon and baron brawls."? Oh hunny. Tsk tsk.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to argue with stupid.

Silverjust2 votes

I have to add something to your second point: The support is in most games the role with the least xp because they share the xp with the ADC, but also they ward (and roam) and dont get xp while the ADC is farming. There was a mastery once that gave xp while near someone with a higher lvl. I think it should be added back into the game, mabe as a passive for the support-starter-items.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

supports currently are very strong

the new items are nearly broken

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

It's a good analysis, but I'm afraid I just can't agree.

Supports being under-leveled and behind in gold the whole time just makes it... less interesting. And less useful than the other roles.

I agree that this is a difficult problem to solve, but if it can't be, I almost point to a recent Ghostcrawler thought... maybe League would just be better as a 4v4 game. It's not crazy to me that this could be the case. I know a lot of people think "well, support is just like that, get over it," but that's kind of lazy game design. It should either has as much impact as the other roles, or it should get cut, imo. Radical opinion, I know, but I see no logical reason against it except "it's always been that way" and that just doesn't sit well with me.

Sonasaurous2 votes

That's fair, but I have to disagree with you when you say support is less useful than other roles--simply as a support main, I don't think my role is at all useless or boring to play.

Though I don't think it would be very realistic of Riot to suddenly drop their 5v5 mechanic to implement a new 4v4 system. Though I think the support class would be completely gutted if the game went 4v4 because if the supports were allowed to farm for themselves and build entirely offensively, then their CC and utility would be oppressive af to the other team, and that would just increase toxicity.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

It's not that it's useless or less boring. I have been playing a TON of support lately as well, and it just feels like I have to play a touch better to have the same impact.

I'd love to see Riot tackle this analysis, because it's sticky to disentangle all the moving parts in this game, but I have the impression that supports simply have less impact. More importantly, the community clearly doesn't think they are as fun to play; hence tactics like autofill.

It needs to be addressed. It sounds like you think people just don't play support because of perception, but I jhust don't see it that way. Even though I am also an enthusiastic support player.

SSrikeShadow1 votes

With about 5% of players maining support the simple and best solution is to remove the role completely - make the Rift 4v4. No more Exp. or gold starved players AND autofill goes away. Incidentally lags, dodges, afks all go down too.

chipndip11 votes

Why is it that everyone says "build mid laner items if you want to do damage as a support", but every other role and class has offensive/defensive pivot items that are in their budget ranges depending on how they want to tackle the game? You don't think that support builds being pigeonholed into defense isn't part of why people don't like support?

Not everyone wants to play a 100% reactive game of "press the shield/heal button a lot".

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