Can we nerf kayle and ranged tops directly yet?

Minimac2000·11/21/2019, 8:03:51 PM·2 votes·1,036 views

I'm just so tired of having to play against one of vlad, ryze, kayle, kennen top 50+%of the time. It's gotten to the point where I am happy to see hard counter champions like kled and tryndamere picked into me bc at least they are melee and have to actually interact with me unlike the hyper scaling mostrosities. It means I at least get the chance to play the lane and my skill can actually be a factor in the lane instead of yet another "oh, they picked kayle/ryze. Gg lane, gg game". And don't pretend doran's changes did anything, thanks

19 Comments

NaughtyWord11/21/2019, 8:14:24 PM4 votes

Kayle got shit on by both Doran's Shield range nerf and Kleptomancy removal.

At what point can top laners just admit they can't be bothered to learn a lane and have her nerfed to uselessness?

Mavëríck11/21/2019, 8:48:36 PM4 votes

Pantheon Renekton Shen Urgot are all fantastic counters to ranged tops... why can't people simply git gud?

KABLUMP11/21/2019, 8:29:30 PM2 votes

Sorry that illaoi doesn't win every matchup, we should nerf all ranged top laners and everyone else who has a chance at winning a lane against illaoi so the game can be more 'fair'

boricCentaur111/21/2019, 9:08:48 PM2 votes

Ummmm learn how to lane? Like if kayle is beating you in lane you are clearly just afk.

World peace plz11/21/2019, 9:10:06 PM2 votes

When i have to deal with ranged top i just pick second wind and start dorans shield works fine and get a early item 1006 (in ranked i played Kled mostly) works fine for me most of the time.

KABLUMP11/22/2019, 1:13:50 AM1 votes

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Kayle is "tier 1" which is the highest tier. That is to say S+

Yep at least not 55% like all of last patch 3.Klepto exasperated the problem, but it still is the exact same problem. Kayle will now take lethal tempo and do the exact same thing 2 minion waves later 4.tryndamere kinda sucks into kayle. Her invincibility is nearly as long as his and she can just kill him as he tries to run away because his ult wore off. Played this matchup before as kayle, really easy from kayle's side. 5/6. I think a huge portion of toxicity in the game rn comes from toxic gameplay imbalances. Maybe this doesn't mean kayle specifically has to be nerfed, just means hey. In top lane, the lane that's always been generally melee matchups why is there now a ranged character shitting on the melee 3 out of every 4 games. They should fix that just like they fixed mages being played as adcs.

I actually think ryze is more of a problem considering his wide flex potential, but kayle was just the one I thought of when making the title and makes it very clear the archetype of champ I think isn't healthy

I ban kayle almost every game. Which is why I have to deal with ryze... almost every game 9.I agree this is the main problem in league. Fix this and everything else fixes itself

Good discussion :)

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Shen is a counter to ranged top lmao. Every top laner period not just ranged shits on shen in every matchup ever. Ivern top is also a counter to ranged clearly

it's 100% clear to me that you have no clue what the weaknesses of the various ranged top laners are

well here's a synopsis on your main grievance: kayle.

Kayle is a useless champion at level 1 until level 6, you should probably be out of lane phase by level 10... so you have to endure 4 levels of her having ranged attacks after you get the opportunity to just dominate her for the first five levels? and she's completely item dependent.

Also even when she's level 6 an illaoi should just be able to wack her with E a few times and force her to go back.. she'll have like... maybe a nashor's tooth against your upgraded boots and trinity force or cleaver or whatever illaoi rushes in season 10. Like she can't compete with that.

you're going to be up like 1500 gold on her just by virtue of being a lot stronger than her at that point.