Irelia needs a nerf (BADLY)

Xelriek · 2016-07-22T09:06:02.177Z

I personally have lost all my games I have played against her, unless someone was knowingly new to her. She does way to much damage and I've seen her 1v5 multiple times (and win) before 20 minutes, she is "the snowball champ" Tired of this and it makes the game not much fun when no one on your team even the tanks like Darius or Renekton can beat her, once she gets lane advantage (or sheen) I think she has way to much to her kit compared to other champs, you literally cannot run away from her even with mobi-boots, and her damage is stupid beyond words not to mention she has a stun that literally seals your fate. Some champs do counter her but even the ones that do have a hard time fighting her. I realize it's about skill but some of the stuff I seer Irelia players pulling is flat out bullshit. I have never met someone in league say she isn't overpowered even the players who play her agree with me. (only asked a few) All I'm saying is she needs a nerf and a hard one just to balance her out, they did this with Darius because he was the same way, it still is hard to kill him but now players have a chance to even kill him. -Larendunj

XelriekJul 22, 20161 votes

Okay seriously reread, didn't say me exclusively, I don't play irelia I've only played her once when she was free and I went 0/4 because I had no idea how her kit worked. But those who understand it can go 20/0 easily if they play smart but she really takes very little time to master (according to other players) And I play Fiora and have an awful time against her, and no Fiora damage doesn't scale as fast as irelia's and plus I have a hard time farming because I get bullied a lot, I get ganked repeatedly for some reason even though I never play aggressively unless I have an opportunity

FioraWillCarryJul 22, 20162 votes

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Okay seriously reread, didn't say me exclusively,

If other Bronze players are telling you this, don't listen. Probably other noobshits like that Yasuo I described. If high elo players are saying this don't listen either. They don't play in Bronze. Everyone in Bronze including you and I are bad in comparison. A Diamond player could probably shit on a Bronze Irelia easily with some nonsense like Sona top. It doesn't apply to our elo.

plus I have a hard time farming because I get bullied a lot

Learn how to last hit under tower. I'm not the best at it but trust me, it will help so much. I cannot overstate how valuable it is to know how to last hit under tower. It will keep you in the game when against a bully.

Listen to me and trust me on this mate, learn how to CS better. Like I said, aim for 80 by 10 minutes. If you get 60, it's still not too bad. I cannot express how fuckin good this is. My last game was a good example of why this is so fuckin effective. I was up against a Brand who in typical Bronze fashion was constantly trying to kill me without farming. I was just farming hard trying not to miss a single CS. He got 2 kills on me, but I was something like 40 CS ahead, with the lead widening because all this noob wanted to do was get kills. He started roaming after, probably because he thought he was fed with those 2 kills and I stayed and kept farming. Know what happened later ? I extended my CS lead over him so much that when he eventually came back to lane and died very easily to me. I'm sure as the sun is rising in the morning that he thought he could kill me because he was 2-0 on me. My first kill on him definitely surprised him because he was confident as fuck when he engaged me expecting to get a 3rd kill but I bursted that fucker down so quickly, it didn't even seem fair. He has no idea how important it is to farm properly.

Trust me buddy. Learn to CS and I guarantee, you will start doing much much better.

XelriekJul 22, 20161 votes

I see what you're saying but regardless every elo has complained about her, I have a few friends in each elo except challenger, they all have problems with her.

FioraWillCarryJul 22, 20163 votes

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I see what you're saying but regardless every elo has complained about her, I have a few friends in each elo except challenger, they all have problems with her.

You shouldn't worry so much about other elos. Like I said, we aren't as good as those guys. The problems they are facing are completely different to the problems we face. For example, your problem with Irelia could be solved easily by out farming her because Bronze players don't care about farm so you're almost always going to be able to out farm her. However, this wouldn't work at Diamond because everybody is farming hard so they have to counter her in a completely different way.

XelriekJul 22, 20161 votes

Makes sense, but still me just shutting her down doesn't keep my team from giving her a comeback all she needs is a couple of kills and she's set

tidegateJul 22, 20161 votes

I agree with you Larendunj, I was in gold 2 maining her for a while and goddam she can stomp just about any matchup. It's not her items or kit that make her really op though, it's her true damage. People like tanking the high damage tanks when they're unsure of lanes, e.g. renekton and darius. However, she's super good aginst both of them because her true damage allows her to kill them before they can get the damage they want or the set up they need in place. She does take skill though, there's no denying that. Until I figured her out you really do feed like it's your job. She has a very particular laning method but once you've got it, it's nearly as bad as tank ekko. Oh and don't forget, she's another champ who heals off towers :)

WoonStruckJul 22, 20161 votes

Fiora basically auto-wins the match-up.

You just poke Irelia like any other match-up. If she tries to stun, you can use the insanely long animation to just activate your W.

You should never, ever get stunned in that match-up.

If you aren't winning, you're doing something wrong. If you push her under tower, ward up and dip out of your passive range until its on the front/side, and poke her while she's CSing. If you don't let her freeze outside of turret range, you auto-win the lane.

tidegateJul 22, 20161 votes

Irelia stun is practically instacast my man, and fiora has to telegraph her parry way harder than irelia stun. You're heavily exaggerating the ease of parrying that.

Oy VeyJul 22, 20162 votes

Parrying Irelia's E is easier than Parrying Jax' E. Jax can cancel the 'channel' at any time so you have to have good reaction time. With Irelia, you at least know that she's going to E you as soon as you have more %hp than her. Unless it's a noob Irelia that just dumps her entire kit on your from the get-go, yo should have no problems parrying her E.

tidegateJul 22, 20161 votes

Did you miss the fact that fioras parry is up longer than his parry? You literally just parry while he is and 100% always return stun, plus you don't really want to engage as Italia unless you can hit stun first. You try to engage when you're already lower than them so you can trade hard and potentially q out

WoonStruckJul 23, 20161 votes

Jax can delay up to a maximum of 2 seconds; he can't stun before 1. Because of this, its essentially 50/50 whether Jax or Fiora will CC the other; even if Jax outplays her (his attackspeed is still slowed by 50% if he gets hit by riposte by delaying E because Fiora is a retarded champion. Seriously, fuck you if you play her). If you wait 1 second, you will get stunned if he does full channel. If you wait 1.25 seconds and he doesn't stun when first able, then you're guaranteed to not get stunned; he will most likely walk out of your stun during that time, though.

That's something that Irelia cannot do. Irelia is locked into a .25 second animation prior to the stun. You have plenty of time to react once you're a little used to it.

WoonStruckJul 23, 20161 votes

Its far from insta-cast.

You have so much time to cast parry as her massive audio/visual queue goes off.

You're heavily exaggerating how hard it is.

Play the match-up two or three times and you'll have 100% consistency with it, considering Fiora can cancel any of her animations with W at any time, and you can even position W's stun and your follow-up by casting mid-Q.

tidegateJul 23, 20161 votes

It is very much instacast in the fact that there's about .2-.4 seconds for her to realize oh shit stun... If you're saying you have these reflexes 100% of the time go be a pilot

Too TonJul 22, 20163 votes

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Oh my God...Learn to lane properly. Not long ago I got fed as Kayle vs a Yasuo who claimed Kayle was OP or I countered him or some shit, yet he had no clue how to lane. He didn't take into account level advantages, item advantages. He didn't think about freezing or slow pushing or any of that. All he knew how to do was when I was close all-in and die. That's literally all he did until I was 5-0. I was winning but mad at the same time because I knew there is a chance this noob would end up on my team in the future and feed a Leblanc or something.

I'm Bronze, just like you and I also played a fucktonne of Irelia and I'm telling you, you're most likely doing something wrong because a lot of times I get bullied hard, especially by champions like Jax, Fiora and that cancer Garen. I can't speak for high elo where she might actually be broken but a Bronze Irelia is nothing to be scare of.

I ban her every game if top lane isn't going her no joke. Irelia, vladimir, fizz/zed are at the top of my priority bans

D3m37r1Jul 22, 20161 votes

THANK YOU. I don't really agree with the fiora part but everything else is true.

tidegateJul 22, 20161 votes

Kayle is one of the better yasuo counters, how could you not see that. All her sustained damage goes right through his windwall and your dps is far better than his for most of the game. What's he suppose to do lol. Plus Kayle is typically considered pretty op. She doesn't have many counters if any. Plus she's not very hard, basically an ap autopilot champ.

FioraWillCarryJul 23, 20161 votes

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Kayle is one of the better yasuo counters, how could you not see that. All her sustained damage goes right through his windwall and your dps is far better than his for most of the game. What's he suppose to do lol. Plus Kayle is typically considered pretty op. She doesn't have many counters if any. Plus she's not very hard, basically an ap autopilot champ.

You're Gold. I'm sure your Yasuo could shit on my Kayle easily. That means she is not unbeatable by Yasuo. And I've been beaten by Yasuos in Bronze so......

tidegateJul 23, 20161 votes

Oh no doubt, but a kayle versus yasuo of even realtive skill, kayle comes out on top with yasuo getting denied all game. It's the fact that kayles skill cap is as easy as possible for aps then yasuo is considered one of the hardest champs in the game. I'm also a yasuo main tho :)

FioraWillCarryJul 23, 20161 votes

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Oh no doubt, but a kayle versus yasuo of even realtive skill, kayle comes out on top with yasuo getting denied all game. It's the fact that kayles skill cap is as easy as possible for aps then yasuo is considered one of the hardest champs in the game. I'm also a yasuo main tho :)

Fair enough. It's still not a reason to die 5 times to Kayle though.

Irelia needs a nerf (BADLY)

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