Can we stop with this true damage non-sense

Captainn Ginyu·Sep 10, 2018·49 votes·14,462 views

im startin to get real tired of fighting yi and his dealing 900+ true damage hell take it away from him he dosent NEED true damage

building against his true damage is almost impossible to do because by the time you get any health to deal with it he has already killed you an everyone else 16 times because again insane amount of true damage from his E and make it bonuse physical damage

hell im down to start keeping % of health damage on ult's or as a niche thing that shouldnt be on EVERY SINGLE CHAMPION YOU RELEASE :|

43 Comments

Colton147Sep 10, 201813 votes

I sometimes like to play Conqueror Corki and watch that all my physical damage is converted into true damage.

https://i.imgur.com/kiPMApg.gif?1

l MrD lSep 10, 20181 votes

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I sometimes like to play Conqueror and watch that all my physical damage is converted into true damage.

https://i.imgur.com/kiPMApg.gif?1

its not just physical damage that gets converted ... its all damage >:D it just give syou ad boost :< so corki would deal physical magicak and true.. O_O ..... sir you are a genius

Captainn GinyuSep 10, 201812 votes

idk why im bitchin riot wants everyone to deal 4k damage at level 1

Nea104Sep 10, 20188 votes

September 2018. It's gone, sadly. They intentionally made this season an awful mindless damage fiesta, no excuses.

RanmiakuSep 10, 20186 votes

master yi either needs nerfed really hard or rageblade needs removed.. maybe both, and riot are actually so dumb that they just buffed the most broken champ in the game lol

Daddy AntsSep 10, 20182 votes

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master yi either needs nerfed really hard or rageblade needs removed.. maybe both, and riot are actually so dumb that they just buffed the most broken champ in the game lol

Removing Rageblade is not an option

There are too many champions who are reliant on it atm.

Removing an item because Yi and Kai'Sa are a problem with it is not the right way to go.

KogMaw Varus Vayne Kayle are all reliant on Rageblade.

Rageblade is the best performing item build for all of these champions.

InfernapeSep 10, 20181 votes

Considering the item is a giant balance problem and has always either been problematic or flat out useless since it got Sated Devourer's phantom hit passive, it should. That passive is too abusable.

Not to mention it's that much of a problem that champions without hybrid scalings are using it.

Daddy AntsSep 10, 20181 votes

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Considering the item is a giant balance problem and has always either been problematic or flat out useless since it got Sated Devourer's phantom hit passive, it should. That passive is too abusable.

Not to mention it's that much of a problem that champions without hybrid scalings are using it.

Then they should get rid of the stacking % AP and % AD and just make it an item with the phantom hit.

Reduce the price slightly.

FallingMeteorSep 10, 20181 votes

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Removing Rageblade is not an option

There are too many champions who are reliant on it atm.

Removing an item because Yi and Kai'Sa are a problem with it is not the right way to go.

are all reliant on Rageblade.

Rageblade is the best performing item build for all of these champions.

Wasn't the reason why Kog's rework was reverted is because he abused rageblade?

Daddy AntsSep 10, 20182 votes

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Wasn't the reason why Kog's rework was reverted is because he abused rageblade?

No.

5.0 Attack Speed Kog'Maw was unhealthy, so he was re-reworked.

SleepcomaSep 10, 20181 votes

Just like how vayne and kai'sa are unhealthy with rageblade?

RanmiakuSep 11, 20181 votes

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Removing Rageblade is not an option

There are too many champions who are reliant on it atm.

Removing an item because Yi and Kai'Sa are a problem with it is not the right way to go.

are all reliant on Rageblade.

Rageblade is the best performing item build for all of these champions.

well honestly kayle is broken as well if the game goes on long enough, and varus is 100% fine without rageblade also, but they need to nerf yi straight up i guess

rtbf201137434Sep 11, 20181 votes

Maybe champions shouldn't be balanced around an item. Hmmm

NemeBroSep 10, 20183 votes

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master yi either needs nerfed really hard or rageblade needs removed.. maybe both, and riot are actually so dumb that they just buffed the most broken champ in the game lol

Have you considered the possibility that you are just bad?

RanmiakuSep 11, 20181 votes

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Have you considered the possibility that you are just bad?

have you considered the possibility that you're a dickhead? which you clearly are if you think yi is balanced

NemeBroSep 11, 20181 votes

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have you considered the possibility that you're a dickhead? which you clearly are if you think yi is balanced

Based on what is Yi unbalanced?

DarukongSrSep 10, 20186 votes

Agreed. It feels less unique or impactful playing champs like Darius, vayne, or Cho when literally most champs now cam gain access to great true dage, and many of them are crit dps champs that shouldn't really have it.

Daddy AntsSep 10, 20182 votes

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Agreed. It feels less unique or impactful playing champs like Darius, vayne, or Cho when literally most champs now cam gain access to great true dage, and many of them are crit dps champs that shouldn't really have it.

You know what.

It sucks to see a Draven with Conqueror doing more True Damage than I do on Vayne......

DarukongSrSep 10, 20184 votes

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You know what.

It sucks to see a Draven with Conqueror doing more True Damage than I do on Vayne......

You know what, I always hated vayne, but I agree. At least it was a part of her kit and concept. She was meant to be balanced around true damage. Now every body and their (darius's) brother has true damage. Riot can pretend it's a balancing mechanic but it's really just a nightmare and it destroys diversity by nearly making tanks and juggernauts irrelevant, this making champs like vayne and kog also irrelevant because they were meant to more specialized counters to hp and armor builders like tanks and juggernauts.

AzeranthSep 11, 20181 votes

The isue is that champions who can use conqueror effectively have to play aggro, in theory, but there are so many champions like Yasup and Yi whos early games are so free and safe that they can afford to take something like that. As for draven, hes a unique case, and when draven gets rolling enough for conqueror to matter, thats youor fault

DarukongSrSep 11, 20181 votes

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The isue is that champions who can use conqueror effectively have to play aggro, in theory, but there are so many champions like Yasup and Yi whos early games are so free and safe that they can afford to take something like that. As for draven, hes a unique case, and when draven gets rolling enough for conqueror to matter, thats youor fault

I agree with you on that. Personally, I don't think any crit based mobile champs should have access to large amounts of true damage, at least not outside of their own kits. Or even champs like jax. Those champs usually beat you with insane dps, combined with superior gap closing, often times with a damage reducing mechanism, and the ability to dodge your stuff. They really don't need true damage, especially considering how either high mixed damage (like jax) or crits with items like last whisper are generally strong enough to get your damage out. Those champs shouldn't be omnipotent though, there should be certain defensive counter builds and drawbacks to having the ability to crush tanks and juggernauts, but currently there aren't. A Yas can crush tanks, adcs, juggers, and mages alike, while dodging most of their abilities or blocking their autos with windwall, etc

PowerSlave993Sep 10, 20185 votes

To be fair , I'll rather see Master yi coming towards me then Jhin...

But I agree, he needs some tweets, like remove immunity on his attack speed on ult.

Emo TwinkSep 10, 20183 votes

It's always AD champs with so much forms of true damage, what's a zhonyas or ninja tabis do to protect everyone else ?

SaiannaSep 10, 20183 votes

Just wait untill rito adds true shield, cause considering everything they had done so far, they will surely go that direction.

Then we'llhave truer damage, then truest and the truly trutty truest.

WoΘxerSep 11, 20183 votes

Only 900?

Usually he does more true damage than actually physical damage to me.

Beatrice fallsSep 10, 20182 votes

JuSt cC hiM

ForFoxSakesSep 10, 20181 votes

It's not just yi. It's all the abusers of the dumbest rune ever made - conqueror

AirKingNeoSep 10, 20181 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/diamond

Captainn GinyuSep 10, 20181 votes

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https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/diamond

great thats diamond

im not diamond yi dont need all the true damage hegets

AirKingNeoSep 11, 20181 votes

well if Diamond players aren't losing to Yi, why are you?

NemeBroSep 11, 20181 votes

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great thats diamond

im not diamond yi dont need all the true damage hegets

Why should Riot design the game around players lower than diamond, which is to say, bad players?

This Is Your DadSep 10, 20182 votes

Conqueror, passive true damage from many champion kits, true damage on infinity edge, red buff true damage, red smite true damage, true damage from cheap shot, elixir of sorcery.

Let's just get rid of armor and magic resist then.

I can't even remember the last time I rushed Frozen heart on malphite because having 600 hp and 300 armor doesn't mean anything.

NY64Sep 10, 20182 votes

You can thank conqueror for giving yi true damage.

PhoneixflareSep 10, 20182 votes

Yi is designed to be a champion that turns on after a two item mid game power spike with guinsoos/jg item. Even before without conqueror he was still doing a decent job with lethal tempo. And the way you deal with Yi is to chain cc him so he can't attack anyone.

AirKingNeoSep 10, 20182 votes

Master Yi is a weak champion. You shouldn't complain about him.

Captainn GinyuSep 10, 20182 votes

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Master Yi is a weak champion. You shouldn't complain about him.

yea? is that why eveyr time i end up fighting him he does upwards of 1k+ true damage not to mention double strike crits that can also deal 1k+ damage oh lets not forget his ulti that increase his attack speed an makes immune to ALMOST everything lets not forget his self heal that gives him a nice big fat chunk of damage reduction oh did i forget to mention his true damage?

AirKingNeoSep 10, 20181 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/diamond

hrooza dota Sep 11, 20182 votes

he is a melee damage champion and thats the only thing he offer

and his ulti make him immune to slows only ever heard of stuns/roots/knockups and more that in fact work on him? he also have 0 tankness when stunned (stun stop his heal/damage reduction btw) so you can blow him up easily

counter is not always building defense offense can also be a counter to champions

SlashStrikerSep 10, 20181 votes

If we take away his True Damage can we give him more speed, stuns, knock ups/backs, shields, armnor reduction/penetration, maybe 10 seconds stealth with massive movement speed, ally buffing abilities and so on?

SS1986Sep 11, 20181 votes

Everyone in this thread should try to play yi without his E and tell me how op he still is after its amazing how bronze some people are really until you learn to kite on range champs don't complain about melee champs and if he is 1v1ing you walk up to trynd jax or any duelist and there going to do the same to you .

rayzoSep 11, 20181 votes

MasterYi no. summoner 14 summoner 11 item 1419 item 3031 + E + Conqueror

ZT XperimentorSep 20, 20181 votes

Reminds me of the league of warmogs, which would come back if it was worth building again. Not to mention a few other abusive cases who benefit from conqueror &/or infinity edge.