Why Vayne should be deleted as a champ

FlammableJim·10/24/2016, 8:13:15 PM·10 votes·1,442 views

I went vs a Vayne, I picked first, I main Sej, enemy picks vayne, I requested them to ban Vayne, denied.

I know shes going to be a problem, so I camp her, end of laning, shes 3/9,

No items, she still manages to 3 shot my ashe, and kill me at the same time.

True damage can't be denied, no matter how much you shut her down, you can't shut true damage down,

It doesn't require items, everytime I die to a Vayne, I see 1700 true damage, and 300 AA, cuz im a tank, and I have tank items.

People say "Vayne the tank shredder"

I am just her first victim, this true damage, goes through any kind of armor, and even scales of your HP, so imagine another ADC? being hit by true damage.

It destroys u instantly.

My adc, was 9/2, and Vayne 3 shot her instantly.

Giving her true damage, ok, but % Max hp damage too? so theres no way to counter her damage. This is supposed to be a strategy game, but Vayne destroys any element of strategy. She is simply unbalanced.

I get it, insta her, CC her,

Hello, QSS, no other Adc requires this, because I can be a tank, and tank damage.

Vayne? im just red meat waiting to be eaten.

It's not that she counters me, its that, she utterly abominates me, even being 3/9.

Delete her and lets all forget she ever existed :P

30 Comments

Mira Arya Enthe10/24/2016, 8:20:10 PM9 votes

While I do feel Vayne's design can be a bit toxic. These items are good.

If Crit Vayne these on your team helps: item 3053 item 3143 item 3047 AS slow, crit reduction, burst reduction shield, slow to reduce her kite.

If attack speed Vayne try these: item 3110 item 3047 item 3075 item 3053 Now that Thornmail has flat damage it works well against AS, Ninja Tabi are always good, AS slow is good.

Contrary to popular belief, HP does help against %HP damage. Because even if every third auto shreds %HP you still are left with more total HP after it for ALL other sources of damage. Armor does nothing against her W but it does against her Q and basic attacks. And active mitigation is always good, such as AS reduction, %AA reduction, shields are good of course.

Sej won't do well against Vayne however without her team behind her OR if she goes AP and one shots Vayne.

In that situation, you should be knocking her up, followed by Ashe or you ulting her. If she is CC'd she cannot deal damage or avoid it. If she uses QSS you still have another stun ult.

Zelorxon10/24/2016, 9:01:56 PM2 votes

how about you learn to be a good jungler so you don't fall that much behind and you build a thornmail?

Ralanr10/24/2016, 8:21:31 PM2 votes

Honestly the extra tumble burst feels like a bit much IMO.

Aaravos10/24/2016, 8:24:22 PM2 votes

I hate more her 1400 Q crit than her true damage.

Hige10/24/2016, 8:26:15 PM2 votes

O.o her true damage is based on your HP, so don't buy hp, buy armor

item 3075 item 3512 item 3110 item 3047

more specifically, Frozen heart delays her true damage proc, not to mention that her true damage is barely 30% of her real damage bulk... so throw in a item 3143 and you're set.

DO NOT buy Ap damage items and then complain that you're getting bursted...

Oh Look Kaede10/24/2016, 9:20:27 PM1 votes

But what about people with soul stealer or any other skins for her?

Requiemsfire10/24/2016, 9:37:30 PM1 votes

Vayne ruins any melee champion without a hard CC engage.

Baby Ghoul10/24/2016, 9:47:03 PM1 votes

Vayne doesn't do purely true damage like a lot ant-Vayne posts suggest. She is a tank shredder, but you can survive her in skirmishes. Do not engage her alone unless you're sure you can assassinate her. If your ADC isn't playing a good game, then take the assassin or mage with you to take her out. That is actually more effective. Burst damage is what counters ADCs.

Your job is to lock her down, especially as Sejuani. Do not duel her because you cannot outsustain her. ADCs are supposed to melt tanks later in the game.

You should build against the ADC as above posters suggested. This game revolves around marksmen late game, like it or not, so you should absolutely be building to counter their advantage late game.

ZerglingOne10/24/2016, 9:55:20 PM1 votes

2000 HP 1700 by true damage Max rank Vayne W 12% max hp per 3 attacks. So she got through ~85% of your max HP from silver bolts alone? How in the flying monkeyfuck did she manage to attack you 21 times? Even in the best case scenario that's at least 8 solid seconds of auto attacking, and that's with 2.5 attacks per second.

SlashStriker10/24/2016, 9:56:54 PM1 votes

I think vayne True Damage should be changed from max health to current health

TyrekGoldenspear10/25/2016, 12:04:24 PM1 votes

Guess you guys forgot a few patches ago before her buffs when she was thought of as garbage that only high skill players could use.

Riot just needs an inbetween between these current buffs and her previous state.

Joe Armstrong1/16/2017, 1:09:24 PM1 votes

upvoted. delete vayne.

Big Lincoln10/24/2016, 8:29:40 PM1 votes

vayne was advertised as an assassin not a tank buster when she was released

riot decided she should be both

drymonkey10/24/2016, 8:29:44 PM1 votes

meh be glad its just a vayne ... vayne can be played around now if it was a 3 in 9 Yasuo you shuld just ff

not even the base laser wants to dual a 3 kills yasuo

BattleMan6910/24/2016, 8:49:52 PM1 votes

the majority of vaynes damage is still physical, and you can still reduce her attack speed with items.

GULAG 4 U10/24/2016, 9:19:24 PM1 votes

Gutting her when she becomes too strong and kalista'ing is fine, removing is jjust a bullshit solution that fixes nothing. and even gutting is used for extreme cases like Aatrox or Azir.