It takes 72 minutes of uninterrupted XP to lose a cannon wave of XP in a duo lane

WTBeGirl100EUhr·11/23/2019, 2:37:20 AM·40 votes·12,381 views

Due to the XP changes.

Can we stop pretending we're 2 levels behind where we were last past?

Solo laners gain an extra wave every 36 minutes.

So what's changed for duo lane vs. solo lane XP balance, really? Nothing, in my opinion. Curious as to how people believe it really changed things.

33 Comments

Skia Asteri11/23/2019, 3:02:48 AM10 votes

Likely that are just noticing level diffs more as the change made them expect them an look for them. The main cause is likely kill xp, especially solo kill xp.

RedCyclone11/23/2019, 3:55:36 AM9 votes

It's more about the intent of pushing the game in that direction It's already bad enough as it is for some, double nerf this patch for many supports who are not overstepping

The dopamine injected solo laner who is 4 levels above you gets real cliche real fast, regardless of what team they are on

Karn Bishop11/23/2019, 4:51:17 PM9 votes

No way this is correct, before the patch bot lane would maybe be 1 level behind a solo lane and now i routinely see bot lane at level 4-5 while the solo laners hit 7-8 in level. Ironically because solo laners are so much higher leveled now junglers avoid ganking them even harder now.

WTBeGirl100EUhr11/23/2019, 3:23:40 PM6 votes

Going to post the maths here. Going back over it my OP is wrong but it's still... really not much different.

MELEE 76.8 ⇒ 75.4 (-1.4) CASTER 38.4 ⇒ 37.12 (-1.3) CANNON 120 ⇒ 116 (-4)

In a duo lane you get half of that XP.

MELEE 38.4 ⇒ 37.7 (-0.7) CASTER 19.2 ⇒ 18.56 (-0.64) CANNON 60 ⇒ 57 (-2)

Every minute you have 6 melees, 6 casters and 1 cannon minion*.

This means that you're losing 10.04 XP per minute.

One cannon wave unshared is worth 363 XP.

...or 36 minutes of XP.

So there you have it. It's not 72 minutes like in the OP (rather 72 waves). It was some 3am for me when I posted.

*this changes over the game but XP pacing is largely irrelevant by the point you're having more cannons spawn and early game no cannon minions spawn which makes the changes less impactful.

Z3SIeeper11/23/2019, 10:06:01 AM6 votes

How dare winning solo lanes win games with a losing bot lane.

Worst JG Wins11/23/2019, 3:03:47 PM6 votes

It takes 72 minutes of uninterrupted XP to lose a cannon wave of XP in a duo lane

FALSE

I Spread Cancer11/23/2019, 8:39:12 PM5 votes

You only need to roam once and you'll feel it. It's duo lane xp nerf + xp catchup removal.

FrancisMuni11/23/2019, 5:11:30 PM3 votes

Yeah, once they said that both the buff and nerf was of 2%, it was pretty clear to me that it was insignificant. Riot has screwed up a lot of things this patch, but this wasn't one of them. Botlaners, if a solo laner has got a double kill easily from you recently, the Menstruation Knife is to blame.

I encourage you to keep calling the item like that until it gets balanced, btw. If it's going to ruin our games, at least this way we can have a laugh at it.

Vlada Cut11/23/2019, 7:32:08 PM2 votes

The only massive change is Adc's being 2 levels above supports when ahead now, but that's more of an item related issue because XP changes are just a cherry on top of this mess.

JustARivenMain11/23/2019, 8:33:58 PM1 votes

Ah ok then