So when Is teambuilder hitting ranked?

GamerGoodies·May 31, 2015·38 votes·2,193 views

I'm sure this is a subject that comes across alot but will Team Builder ever hit ranked? Like my suggestion would be instead of choosing your champ you can choose what lane you want to do. Then after that is all down and over with you get sent into drafting to do the bans and picking.

I feel that would be very helpful cause I had alot of moments where people do better at one lane and that one lane only. When they get pushed into another lane they do horribly. I happen to have a friend that only adc's and is still very stale at any other lane. He's practicing to get to other lanes but it's still hard to deal with people that get whiney when they don't get the lane they want. It would probably make silver and bronze much more stress relieving to deal with.

38 Comments

Fried NoobMay 31, 20159 votes

They are currently working on a team builder draft, but I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

ArveanorMay 31, 20151 votes

link?

LordofthepitttJun 1, 20154 votes

I wish they would. Thats one of the reasons I don't like playing ranked. I don't like getting forced out of my lane by a troll, and I don't like being forced into supporting, and then getting yelled at all game for doing badly... I'm a terrible support.

BiffoloJun 1, 20151 votes

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I wish they would. Thats one of the reasons I don't like playing ranked. I don't like getting forced out of my lane by a troll, and I don't like being forced into supporting, and then getting yelled at all game for doing badly... I'm a terrible support.

Then learn to play the role. If you want to climb, become decent at all 5 roles.

LordofthepitttJun 1, 20151 votes

I have no interest in learning the role, or climbing ranks.

BiffoloJun 1, 20152 votes

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I have no interest in learning the role, or climbing ranks.

Then don't open your mouth in a ranked discussion.

LordofthepitttJun 2, 20152 votes

I'm not so sure of... how valid your argument against me is.

BiffoloJun 2, 20151 votes

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I'm not so sure of... how valid your argument against me is.

If you aren't interested in climbing ranked, then why are you talking in a ranked thread? It's a pretty valid argument. Ranked is for people who want to climb, you don't want to so don't bother.

LordofthepitttJun 2, 20151 votes

No, this thread is an open question where the OP is wondering when (and I assume, if) teambuilder is going to be available in a ranked queue. Since noone here has any idea when teambuilder is available in ranked, people are just giving their opinions. Hence, why I said

"I wish they would. Thats one of the reasons I don't like playing ranked. I don't like getting forced out of my lane by a troll, and I don't like being forced into supporting, and then getting yelled at all game for doing badly... I'm a terrible support." I was meaning that I WOULD be more inclined to play ranked, if not for being forced into roles I am not very good at, and do not enjoy playing in the least.

BiffoloJun 2, 20151 votes

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No, this thread is an open question where the OP is wondering when (and I assume, if) teambuilder is going to be available in a ranked queue. Since noone here has any idea when teambuilder is available in ranked, people are just giving their opinions. Hence, why I said

"I wish they would. Thats one of the reasons I don't like playing ranked. I don't like getting forced out of my lane by a troll, and I don't like being forced into supporting, and then getting yelled at all game for doing badly... I'm a terrible support." I was meaning that I WOULD be more inclined to play ranked, if not for being forced into roles I am not very good at, and do not enjoy playing in the least.

And I was saying, that's a part of the fucking game. You get forced onto uncomfortable roles sometimes. You know how you fix that? Get comfortable on them. It would potentially kill off a lot of flexibility in the playerbase, which is a negative thing for advancement of skill overall.

LordofthepitttJun 3, 20151 votes

I have no incentive to get good at support, since it ISN'T an enjoyable role. I don't want to spend a potential hour of my time just walking around and occasionally pressing Q to pull/snare/whatever an enemy champion. Teambuilder for ranked sovles this issue by cutting out pregame toxicity, pick trolling, and doesn't force players into doing something they don't want to do.

BiffoloJun 3, 20151 votes

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I have no incentive to get good at support, since it ISN'T an enjoyable role. I don't want to spend a potential hour of my time just walking around and occasionally pressing Q to pull/snare/whatever an enemy champion. Teambuilder for ranked sovles this issue by cutting out pregame toxicity, pick trolling, and doesn't force players into doing something they don't want to do.

Climbing rank signifies skill. Part of skill is being flexible. Part of being flexible is being able to do every role. Also, that's your opinion that it is boring. I happen to find it the most fun role in the game.

LordofthepitttJun 3, 20151 votes

Having a rank might signify skill, sure. But at the end of the day, it is just a little digital emblem that you get and it doesn't really mean anything. And I don't think its a good enough reward for going through the toxicity, the losses from afks and trolls, and the general unfriendliness of others who play ranked. And if you like supporting, thats fine. I do not, which is who I was referring to in my previous statement. I don't like supporting, so I don't do it.
I'm not the best support, but lets be real. Anyone can do it rather easily. Take thresh for example, he isn't hard. Just walk around in lane, throw lanters, press Q a couple of times, press R, and then use your flay. Easy peasy.

DocShockerJun 1, 20151 votes

Sadly a Ranked Team Builder won't fix this. Trolls can still get on just to fill a role even with the intention of trolling. Just no way around that regardless. Only thing different would be they'd need to choose convincing champs/role combinations to make it look like they are actually trying, even if their goal is to troll. Still, even with that small chance, the thing that is most certain is you're playing into a match up/enemy team comp blind until the game is loading. The downside of actual Team Builder sadly. You can get a team comp you're comfy with, but no idea if the enemy comp can or can't deal with yours to varying degrees and/or dupe champs lol.

Don't get me wrong, I love Team Builder. Play it more than Blind or Normal Draft. Just the matching/games can feel so wishy-washy from one to the next because, well, they're blind games going into aside from what your team is haha. Still inspires you to try and play to overcome whatever it is, but there are also some players out there that can get demotivated pretty fast too. Is a risk, but what can you do about it? Least you know you get to play what you wanted so there's that.

WillHealForHonorJun 1, 20151 votes

And yet u dont learn it.. or? i focused a lot on learning supp because then i could like never be forced on a sh itty role imo..

LordofthepitttJun 2, 20151 votes

Thats a fair argument. But I'm just not interested in playing the role. Never have been. It just bores me like nothing else in this game.

Angry MonsterMay 31, 20153 votes

and then you realize everyone becomes specialist and the game mastery (not the new system) is ruined.

DocShockerMay 31, 20152 votes

Honestly, I can't really see Team Builder working out for Ranked.

For one thing, Ranked Draft is there for the bans before game and the non-mirror matches that you would see in say Normal Blind Pick/Team Builder. So if you want Team Builder so you can play this specific champ in this specific spot in Ranked, go for it.. Just be prepared going into an enemy team blind and possible mirror matches/dupe champs in diff roles.

Another thing/rumor I had heard was Ranked Team Builder would only allow you to select role/lane, then when everything is settled, it'd put your team and enemy team pretty much just into Ranked Draft. Which it sounds nice, but then what was the point? Not everyone will want to stick to the role they chose. Ex. Someone picks wanting to go mid, get into draft and enemy team picks their mid champ, your mid laner suddenly doesn't want to go there because they don't want to face said enemy mid champ. Pretty much it's just a fancy way of saying you'd rather play this role before getting into the Draft, but not forced to stay in that role within the Draft itself(because luckily there's no way to lock certain champs into roles by Rito's definition of what role any champ should play, even if you'd rather play them elsewhere)...

I just don't really see it working unless you're willing to take the risk going into a game without any information of enemy team until the game is starting since what would be the point of just having a fancy way to call out a role/position before a Draft where things can change within the Draft itself?

Marinaras TrenchJun 1, 20151 votes

Could be choose your role, then champion?

DocShockerJun 1, 20151 votes

Still runs into issues. If you choose your role and champion, as in normal team builder. You'd be going into a Ranked game without any information of the enemy team comp. If you're willing to take that risk, then go for it.

Even just going from choosing role pref then it takes you, and your team, into Draft to play against an enemy team.. Would you really trust all of your team members to stick with their role prefs they decided? I mean, even in Ranked Draft and even Normal Draft, there are people that are stubborn on what they want to where if they don't get it, the troll or do other silly things. None of those are solved by adding a simple role pref process before going into the actual draft, sadly. That still leaves the full process in the hands of the players as things already are, not the system/game. If you get some good players that really will stick to their roll, even if the enemy picks a champ they don't like going into, then you just have some respectable teammates and not something helped brought about by the system aside from declaring their role before hand.

Long story short, going into a game blind is a risk solely up to you. If you are willing to take the risk, then go for it. If the process is just for you to say your roll before going into a game, hope that your team stays to their choices and doesn't get mad if the enemy picks a champ they don't like going against and start throwing a fit lol. Either way is a gamble, honestly.

BiffoloMay 31, 20152 votes

Hopefully never.

SammystormJun 1, 20152 votes

It shouldn't hit ranked. queue times would be obscene.

AmazingGoatJun 1, 20151 votes

To me this is the issue. Queuing for mid or top in Bronze or Silver would take forever. Queuing for anything in Challenger would take forever.

SammystormJun 1, 20151 votes

yep it is a huge problem that people that play team builder don't care about but other people do.

ZeeDrakonMay 31, 20151 votes

ive thought a LOT about this topic and theorycrafted about it with a close friend (and were both plat players, so we do have the game knowledge to back that up)

teambuilder ranked will make climbing in low elo harder, since there will be less trollpicks and less afks, but it'll also make lower elo more competetive. it'll give toxic but mechanically decent players the chance to rank up that right now troll or flame if they dont get their main role. it'll be a HUGE nerf to allrounders, since in the currently talked about system theres no compensation between the modes (like higher LP gain in "normal" soloQ it will generally not have much influence in high gold/plat upwards

so:

it will make climbing out of low elo more enjoyeably but harder, and it will spread toxic players to ranks they dont deserve, therefore i dislike it

GamerGoodiesMay 31, 20152 votes

Their are three kinds of toxic players:

Those that get stressed out in the game and take it out on people.

The ones with depression and social problems that they usually don't realize what they are actually say is pretty hurtful (Like me but I learn to control it)

Then their's the ones where people just do it on purpose cause they don't feel any meaning in their life. The ones everyone hates.

Toxic player's exist cause of these reasons. People will get less toxic if they increase in rank HOWEVER It will still shun people that are bad at playing the game. If they have no idea what they are doing then they'll never raise up a rank, even with teambuilder. Also the tribunal can still punish toxic players. So Teambuilder still has a way to work out.

Magic MoMay 31, 20151 votes

Not for at least until season 6... after pre-season. Team builder doesn't allow for counterpicks or any of that good stuff, so Riot has to find a way to balance this before letting it hit yolo queue.

SexyTaylorSwiftMay 31, 20151 votes

They proposed a team builder where you just que up for a role...everything else is then the same as draft. I don't like the idea. I don't think you should be able to rank up by playing 1 position and not having to go through the joys of soloQ.

SexyTaylorSwiftMay 31, 20151 votes

I just hope it is different than soloQ rank. I don't want someone to be able to only play their best role and be considered better rank than others that actually play soloQ.

RouterSmiterJun 1, 20151 votes

when ranked becomes blind pick

DrProfVibeCheckJun 1, 20151 votes

Well, what happens if say you want to jungle, but you only have one jungle champ that you're decent with? Then, when you get into the pick/ban part of the queue, someone bans that champ? That forces you have to be a champ you're not as decent with.

That's the only problem I see with this system. Well, except for the huge waiting time you'd have for supports.

GamerGoodiesJun 1, 20152 votes

I dunno I'd feel pretty stupid If I only learned one champion to be good at jungling with. So Far I been expanding my learning on jungling when I started out with skarner. People should expect the champion to be banned and always have a backup champ they'd work with.

DrProfVibeCheckJun 1, 20151 votes

You'd be surprised what some people do. There's always that possibility.

GamerGoodiesJun 1, 20151 votes

I used to be surprised alot. Now I just get used to it. Cause people always do stupid things.

BestTristMyHausJun 2, 20151 votes

Don't people ALREADY do that, except its not a role they CHOSE but one they got stuck with? Heck, don't you have some people in ranked that get stuck in a role they know ZERO champs with? I don't really see how calling your role in advance is gonna make this WORSE, I can understand saying it won't be any BETTER, but I don't see it getting worse.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 1, 20151 votes

Hopefully soon, only the obvious answer is you can't pick your champion before your queue pops, because ranked isn't blind pick. Still, it'd be nice to have. Just make sure to have a healthy champion pool for your role so you don't get banned out of existence.

WillHealForHonorJun 1, 20151 votes

I wanna be able to kick a teemo from my game in ranked.. or more importantly.. a gp so people will stop playing that sh it :P or even MORE importantly leo and vayne.. cause they are not considered troll but i just hate them so much.. But i like ur idea to say somethin productive.. It would be so nice.. Especially when ur in a promo and u REALLY need to get ur main role and champ (if not banned ofc)