Is it possible to climb anymore?

hsumis1ove·Jul 29, 2016·1 votes·625 views

I can't seem to get out of silver. Maybe it's because of the champs i'm playing? I play vayne and yi who are both solo q champions who thrive against bad coordination. Lately i seem to be getting put against premades every game, so they have the coordination to focus one of the members of my team until he rages and tilts and the coordination to shut me down. Maybe this is a bad meta for yi/vayne because BORK was nerfed, Rageblade was changed and devourere was removed. Yi was also nerfed to the ground too. Is it time to change roles?

EDIT: I have no problem with vayne mechanics. I have half a million points in her. I'm struggling with the game lasting long enough for me to scale. Usually one of my teammates loses hard and someone gets fed. So that someone comes bot and screws us over.

18 Comments

BzRazorJul 29, 20161 votes

play amumu jungle

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

OK I'll try it today. But I'll go full ap.

ÅeolusJul 29, 20161 votes

Vayne is one of the hardest adcs to play in this game. Most plats can't even play her decently. Yi is ok if you played a lot of games with him. I recommend Ashe and Miss Fortune for adc and Trundle and Rammus for jungle. And yes maybe you do get fed with Vayne sometimes but there's a lot of mistakes you're doing that you aren't seeing and you only are winning because you're in silver. With Vayne you have to worry about kiting well, positioning yourself well with the invis your q gives you, and dodging every skill shot because if you get hit with one you're dead. With Miss Fortune all you really have to do is hit a lot of people with your ult. You can't focus on learning other aspects of the game because you need to spend a lot of time learning about Vayne herself. Once you're at least diamond v you can start learning hard champions.

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

I'm not worried about vayne mechanics. I have half a million points in her and can kite very well. The problem is the game lasting long enough for me to scale.

ÅeolusJul 30, 20161 votes

You're right, you have a good win ratio with Vayne and Yi. Also I can assume two things from you losing or winning hard. First, you don't know how to play when behind. You probably try roaming to other lanes when you don't have to. Unless there's a 5v4 about to happen, you can stay bot, freeze the wave and farm.

Usually you want to group only when your team wants to take an objective and the other team is nearby. Let's face it a 0-5 Vayne with 80 cs at 15 min won't do much anyways. Remember roughly 15 cs equals a kill. If you have 170-200 cs at 20 min it won't matter that you went 0-3. You'll have more or equal the amount of gold of your teammates. Also if the enemy adc has 4 kills on you accept that you lost lane. There is nothing you can do but farm. Stop playing aggressive and don't push the wave.

Second, I'm also guessing that you have problems controlling your emotions. You probably get extremely tilted if you're 0-2 and think the game is over, but if you're fed you probably feel like a god and want to fight constantly. You don't always have to carry, your team can carry you. Also, I don't recommend playing champions you rarely play or have a bad win ratio with in ranked, you'll probably lose if you do.

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

ok. What do i do if my team always wants to fight? They always hang around mid, ping me to come mid too, then get caught out a second later and blame me for not grouping.

JafarThePandaJul 29, 20161 votes

Premades make it hard

MeriipuJul 29, 20161 votes

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Premades make it hard

Stop blaming premades for being unable to climb It is literally the new "trolls and afks are keeping me back"

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

It is true though. Smurfs every game and most of them are in premades.

lilpokflufJul 29, 20161 votes

Vayne is a pretty free game in silver, second only to the world famous silver yasuo

Too TonJul 29, 20161 votes

I dislike premeds sorry but I also negatively view yi jungle. People say he scales so well but morg q ---> dead. lux q ---> dead. most yi players charge in 1 v 5 and die. That's why as braum I just save my ult when he q's unto the adc to save everyone. He isn't tank like sej, amumu, zac, hecarim. and he doesn't have the cc

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

Skilled Yi players can easily dodge morg and lux q. It is possible to even dodge vayne condemn. It is still possible to charge in 1v5 and pentakill. If you check gosu's utube channel, not too long ago, he was against AKA Silence who flashed over the baron pit, stole Baron and 1v5 pentakilled. The lack of cc though is true. I prefer carry champs though, like Yi, Kat, Darius, etc.

EndlessSorcererJul 29, 20161 votes

Taking a quick look, you seem to stomp or get stomped as Master Yi and have a low-ish CS score for the game's length. It might be possible that you are attempting to do too much early-game and falling behind for it; you should prioritize farming and take opportunities to gank when they arise.

Honestly, you seem to have the same issue with Vayne.

Both of these champions scale extremely well into late-game so all you really need to do is get there. Even if you aren't snowballing yourself, you will eventually gain a lead over most opponents as long as you stay relatively even with them simply due to how they scale.

Similarly, your builds are a little weird at times. For example:

You built Wit's End on Master Yi rather than Maw of Malmortius
Trinity Force on Vayne
Double Phantom Dancer on Vayne (she works well with Statikk Shiv or Rapid Fire Cannon if you want a second one)
You rushed Lord Dominik's Regards third on Vayne against a fairly squishy team (only one of them had any armor and none of them really built a lot of health)

I haven't played in Silver since early last season when I started playing ranked, but I found that the following qualities worked quite well at that MMR.

Durability.
CC (for peel, initiation)
Waveclear/poke

Many players would try to pick low-utility carry champions which would leave the team rather squishy and without any real peel or initiation for said carries. I primarily play CC tanks and durable fighters in the jungle, so I could often fill this gap for my team which would make them far more effective in fights (since they wouldn't instantly die).

Also, I found that players would often group around objectives for long periods of time without really taking it (i.e. Dragons, Baron, towers, etc). Both teams would be standing within vision range of one another and just dancing back and forth until someone was caught out and a fight started. I found that champions with good poke and waveclear were very valuable during these standoffs, since you could easily poke the enemy team down long before the fight started.

When I was climbing through Silver last season, I primarily played champions who could take advantage of and/or cover these weaknesses. Ziggs Varus Gragas

hsumis1oveJul 30, 20161 votes

Hmm OK thx. When I play Yi I farm till 6 usually hitting it at the same time as the top laner and then I try to snowball hard. This doesn't work when the enemy jungle is a smurf and knows how to gank well and invade (that shyvana last game. As for vayne I guess I have the same problem trying to play aggro, but it really depends on my support, if I have a ranged or melee support. I do have a problem with cs though. I try to farm well and can have 70 by ten minutes. After that, I have a problem; we end up doing nonstop mid lane fights, so I don't have the chance to farm without my team flaming me for not being at the fight. I get things like "worst vayne NA" and "typical vayne player being greedy for farm".

As for the builds, tried force cdr, sheen proc, and the phage proc allow me to kite better. I have been experimenting with it as the buffs gave tri force more attack speed and it could be a good rush item although a bit expensive. Wits end is good against thornmail and it deals on hit damage, which I prefer over flat AD. It's also pretty cheap. The double pd was nostalgia, but the LDR was bad.

inFamous ZionJul 29, 20161 votes

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I can't seem to get out of silver. Maybe it's because of the champs i'm playing? I play vayne and yi. Both solo q champions who thrive against bad coordination.

Vayne is literally the worst pick you can find for a bad coordination of your team, even if enemy is the same. You can't survive a lane. That is unless you are good Vayne. I'd suggest you to play pick that are in the meta atm.