Just played 100 percent crit graves. I 1v3d full build in their base. Jhin kept trying to crit me and he took me down to 300 health in a single auto. Then i healed back to full health with one auto and proceeded to 2 shot jhin. My build was skirmishers sabre warrior, phantom dancer, berserkers greaves, infinity edge, statikk shiv, essence reaver. Then i sold boots for deaths dance and skirmishers for bloodthirster.
Evewynn23 votesA lot of the hate (and popularity) for graves has died down, but he's still as BS as he was since he was reworked. All he needs is Sterek's and his free resistances and he has the effective stats of a tank with the burst of an assassin and DPS only slightly less than a normal ADC. All that with mobility, above average affinity with lifesteal, and extreme pushing power.
The only thing graves doesn't have is a cigar.
AkabaneKun26 votes[{quoted}](name=Celestial Bodied,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yETcxc6L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-07-23T09:50:30.122+0000)
A lot of the hate (and popularity) for graves has died down, but he's still as BS as he was since he was reworked. All he needs is Sterek's and his free resistances and he has the effective stats of a tank with the burst of an assassin and DPS only slightly less than a normal ADC. All that with mobility, above average affinity with lifesteal, and extreme pushing power.
The only thing graves doesn't have is a cigar.
The cigar was the thing holding him back, now that he stopped smoking he feels healthier than ever.
DeathBot6661 votesIts great. Since he switched over to vaping his win rate has gone up by nearly 10%
hsumis1ove1 voteslol
Jbels12 votesWelcome to the Graves Champion Spotlight. Graves is a ranged tanky burst assassin DPS Lifesteal Jungler ADC mid top that can build two damage items and nothing but tank items and still outdamage Burst assassins
WIOP64571 votesGraves is a ranged, melee, tanky dps, assassin, mage, tank, support, and jungler
Weasel Kensei1 votes[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yETcxc6L,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-07-23T15:33:01.703+0000)
Welcome to the Graves Champion Spotlight. Graves is a ranged tanky burst assassin DPS Lifesteal Jungler ADC mid top that can build two damage items and nothing but tank items and still outdamage Burst assassins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcIYp9nQcQ
His laundry list of traits are meant as a joke... yet Riot keeps making champs that read off like ol Hank.
Sassmast3r4 votesHe just needs to be solidified to one role. Do they want him as an ADC? Then get rid of all the free stats and the area of effect damage he has as neither of those stats can be balanced on an ADC (at least from what I have seen). Do they want him as a jungler? Then why in satan's name does he have range, and in fact why does he have free stats in that role either?
Just another hybrid champion that's strong when the rest of the champions of one of his type are strong. Eventually he'll shift back to being weak again when fighters and ADCs are weak.
dapositiveviking1 votesnot to mention the pushback on minions in the passive
Bladerunner77773 votesIf Graves is so broken then why don't you have a 100% winrate with him instead of 53%?
Crit outscales everything in the game. You could have that exact same build on any other ADC (or Rengar for that matter. Heck, even Aatrox) and have the same results except being slightly less tanky but output more damage instead. If the enemy team had a real assassin or something with burst then I guarantee you would be a dead man walking.
Also that Jhin you were playing against had a Zhonyas and his build sucked. I imagine he could have one-shot you with a good build since he was getting getting you to 300 with a crappy one
hsumis1ove1 votesMost games dont last 50 minutes like that one did.
Madra3 votesGraves is broken. His kit synergizes too well with lifesteal. The AoE auto attack and the free resists are too much together.
Tobias Brackner3 votes1 game
I just want you to think about that
1 game and you say he's broken
Have you ever considered that maybe your team was playing better than their team and so facilitated you being able to blow up Jhin ez?
hsumis1ove1 votesWell the enemy jhini was pretty bad. He started trolling around with zhonyas and he couldn't stutter step at all, letting me walk right up to his face and put 2 rounds in him.
Tobias Brackner1 votesSo don't you think that your sample here is extremely biased and almost useless as an example?
HaloDragonX2 votes"Graves is suppose to fall off late game"
Ok, slap on a PD, add in a Gage. You're a tank now. Toss in an IE and BT, you're an assassin, already PD so you're also a marksmen. Aka, Graves is everything.....
J4 Ulted Mexico2 votesWith skirmishers and PD his damage reduction is insane.
Marshbouy2 votesIf this was any other champion people would just say you are using anecdotal evidence and would probably downvote you, but it's graves everyone wants to tear graves down.
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesin their base? doesn't that mean you were already winning?
hsumis1ove1 votesThe game was late enough that everyone was pretty much full build.
Dengeden2 votesJhin is an ADC not a duelist. A terrible ADC, since he couldn't stay out of Graves's range, buy EC or dodge his Q but a(n) (catchbased) ADC nonetheless.
Keepe2 votesGrave is, in many ways, problematic. But in other ways, he's got a whole bunch of issues to play around. For example, Skill Shot Auto Attacks. In a team fight, with a number of tanks in your way, you could see this being a problem.
I don't know how to feel about this, to be honest.
Aatrox Mid 1v51 voteshis team fights dont matter because of how strong of a duelist he is. IMO quinn and graves seem pretty similar to me, they both deal absurd damage while having some range. but quinn can have that absurd damage while not being as tanky as a super minion.
Keepe2 votesBecause she trades tanking for a butt ton of mobility in an ult and has a far more reliable kit. But, unfortunately, you have to keep in mind that team fights DO matter. Once the game hits the point of everyone flocking together and waiting to see which person done effs up first, Graves either works with the team or risks being picked off. I am sad to say that the latter is far more often the case in my experience.
Don't get me wrong, I really do not feel strongly against or for Graves. He's just a pain to deal with. But I do not know if being a pain to deal with is what makes a champion broken. A lot of champions are a pain. All of them, in fact.
You're right. He has an incredible burst. But if they WERE to do something to balance him, I would think that the best thing to do would be to make his Q (his gunpowder boom boom thing) have the same delay if it hits a wall as it does when it doesn't. Unless that's changed recently, I don't know, I so rarely see him.
[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
aCertifiedKorean1 votesNice!
Eunson1 votes
Partholonian13 votesYes, he becomes truly godlike at 8 items.
Eunson3 votes[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
JafarThePanda1 votesYes, he becomes truly godlike at 8 items.
he changed out items and got rid of his boots and item
dapositiveviking3 voteshe said he sold boots and skirmishers for the last two
invisiblecat11 votesWhen I make a post like this I get downvoted ;-; but I hate graves
Depárt1 votesTFW everyone still believes graves somehow magically gets more health per auto with lifesteal than someone that would do the same dmg would
Aatrox Mid 1v51 votesI agree, every champion is suppose to have a weakness, but graves has none.
Vallalan1 voteseh graves is not as ridiculous as he used to be. you sound like you were very very fed as you forget the one weakness you are missing in that build:
CC
if you get locked down with a build like that even with free tank stats as graves you are going to explode.
and unless you build like that graves simply can't do what he used to and face tank people for ages while dealing fuck tons of damage. he can be "tanky" ish but he isn't the 1 v 5 champ unless he is super fed or the enemy team fails to lock him down.
hsumis1ove1 votesI do remember the days when graves first was reworked lol. The first time i played graves in my life was around then. I played him in the jg and went 10/0/0 in 10 minutes.
BliTzzAcE1 votes[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Shrek Luigi1 votesi'm not fond of the warrior enchant--after I purchase a jungle item like skirmisher's saber i usually just skip straight to IE or DD or something. It hasn't been a great item since they removed the armor penetration from it.