Which champions do you feel right now are really underpowered and just aren't worth trying to play?

{quoted}

Since when is Talon/Illaoi/Lux meta right now? lol

Illaoi is without a doubt a strong pick right now. She's an insanely good lane bully, and she's not hard to find in game anymore. Her ban rate is high as well.

I don't like that people think that Lux is only a good pick when she's dominating mid lane. She's a very safe pick, and quite easy to learn. You see her picked often, and she still has an average win rate.

Talon is an interesting case I think. I still believe he's a strong assassin that works well within this meta, but his pick rate has fallen quite a lot. You're right about that. There are more popular mid lane assassins right now. I think I read that he's going to be included in the assassin update, so he's not going to have a below average pick rate for much longer. Where I'm at, Gold to Silver, I don't see him hurting. I know in other leagues, for some of these champions, that could be a different story. I tried to be as general as possible though.

To the two people who quoted me about Jayce, I stand firm on how I feel about him. Based on my personal experience, and the stats I see from him. He's not anything special at the moment and he hasn't been for a while. I understand people love the champions I listed, but I think Aatrox mains generally have a healthy outlook. They learn to play that champion because they love his concept, but they aren't unrealistic in thinking he's secretly OP and doesn't need to be looked at by the balance team.

she is not

Never really see her do much besides roam, she's pretty weak in lane imo.

[{quoted}](name=Lana Del Bae,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wetspEjN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-06T03:16:12.958+0000)

Calling Taliyah underpowered lmao

The OP called Ziggs underpowered, that's equally ridiculous.

Unfortunately Talon will be getting reworks nerfs. Rip assassin Talon. He's gonna become a Malphite

Statisticly, he is. 40% winrate or so

{quoted}

How is Ryze weak?

Lowest winrate even this long after his rework indicates something is wrong

{quoted}

{{Champion:13}} is hardly underpowered.

If you go by his win rates, you may think that, but bear in mind he's new and players are slowly relearning him. His win rates have been climbing slowly, and he has a powerful kit, it's just very nuanced and will take some time for people to master his combos again. He wrecks, and isn't weak, just hard to master.

Lowest winrate almost 1 month after his rework, how much time do you think people need to master his 3 combos?

{quoted}

As a ryze main ryze is a bit op right now

His lowest winrate of any champion even almost 1 month after his changes would suggest otherwise. And are you speaking from experience with a different account or the one you're currently using?

lmfao okay bud http://champion.gg/champion/KhaZix "super strong" "tier1" "god"

Azir - Yeah let me just become LCS level. And then still do only average/okayish on him. Because that's what happens. He's gutter trash outside of LCS and subpar in it too for the most part. Corki - Yeah except he's still shit right now. Mundo - K Evelynn - K Heimer - And? He's still really bad. Jayce - And don't just randomly complain about what I said with no base. Kalista-Kindred - Yeah Lee - Uh yeah no, he's absolute trash right now. Lulu - Uh yeah except she's out of meta, almost no one plays her, and she's a very hard and highskill champ.

Uh, Lee is very weak. Kha takes a lot of experience. And Jayce is just almost unplayed and takes a fair bit of experience, and is just bad in this meta atm.