First I would like to point out that this is actualy, in some places, contructive critisism. "No" Is not.
Right. nice excuse buddy.
How is that an excuse? I didn't think a need of explaining it as I thought it was common knowledge.
Yes, i am aware. Are you also aware that CDR is more important of a stat on Mages than Marksmen? Also, you are aware that said AP Armor item is incredibly powerful, stat efficient giving you Armor comparable to that of a full on Bruiser tank item like Sunfire of Deadmans while also giving you as much AP as a straight high tier damage spike item like Ludens, ON TOP of having the most powerful active in the game which lets you be invincible for ~3 seconds, which is basically half a team fight? Did you also no it has one of the best build paths in the game?
Zonya's is not only very expensive, but it also doesn't give the stats that Sunfire and Deamans give. It gives armor, but no health or unique passive. It has a large CD and most of the time doesn't help or gets you killed. I don't see how such a expensive item with a large CD that can either not help at all or get you killed is so valuable and powerful. You say it lets you be invincible for 3 seconds. It makes you invunerable for 2.5 seconds, unable to cast or act, and lets the enemy set up to get closer and ready to kill you. That is very different from invincable. It has one of the best build paths in the game? One of its items you cannot get unless you have 1250 gold, and the other requires you to kill 30 minions just to get much benefit.
First, the Athene's changes are designed to support Utility mages like Lux or Karma when they find themselves basically being a second support if they didn't do so well in lane. Which isn't really bad. Grail was is basically a Supp item on like right now lol. This would actually give it more use imo instead of being the "not Morrelonomicon it currently is.
-Second, they didnt get rid of Mana regen, they re-purposed and shifted Mid mages away from just building a Mana regen item and forgetting the resource exists into building and stacking mana instead. This is not the same as a straight nerf. This is a focus change, one that you aren't giving any room to play with out of fear of change.
The way things sound, this change will actually be rather interesting, not just some nerf the way ou are making it out to be.
-Third, Zhonyas deserves the nerf. The item is too good, gives way to powerful stats for a defensive item especially given how OP its active is. Makes no Sense. Its one of the reasons why mercurial is stupid.
-Fourth, SpelVamp? ROFL
First, I know all of what you said. It is bad because mages lose yet another mana regen, it only fits a few niche mages, and is a huge nerf to many mages. Galio and Syndra for example. It isn't currently a support item. This is the mage update too, not the support update.
Second, they did almost completely get rid of Mana regen.
they re-purposed and shifted Mid mages away from just building a Mana regen item and forgetting the resource exists into building and stacking mana instead.
ROFL! Play Casseopiea and tell me you can even get a tear and forgetting mana existed. Play Veigar and get one mana item, then tell me you forget mana existed. Jesus christ you don't know mages. Stacking mana is cool and all, but once your OOM that 500+ mana won't help you there as your naked and exposed. While an ADC can pick up ER, just one mana item where mages might have to build 2, which will amplify their damage and give them more CDR then any mage item currently existing. Once they get ER they really don't have mana problems, especially once they get more then 50% crit, and not alot of ADC's even have mana problems, nor bruisers. AD champions can always AA to defend themselves or use their resourcless/energy costing spells. There is not one mage without a resource in the game, yet there are several energy and resourcless ADC's. Sure this is a focus change which I'm not giving any room to play around, because it will be rediculous without compensation.
-Third, Zhonyas deserves the nerf. The item is too good, gives way to powerful stats for a defensive item especially given how OP its active is. Makes no Sense. Its one of the reasons why mercurial is stupid.
Zhonya's cooldown is already lower then most ults that you use it to dodge (Like lux's ult). It hinder's you defenseless and immobile. You cannot act and just let your enemies get their spells back up and prepare to kick your crouch over and over till you wait your 45 second death timer. Maw, Sturaks, etc. all activate by themselves, meaning if your CC'd it doesnt matter, and are cheaper. You can also move and attack back with Maw, Sturaks, etc.
Spellvamp can be balanced, just as life steal is. Make it a flat heal with a short cooldown. Spam mages can't abuse it because of the cooldown, bursty high single target mages like Veigar can't heal a ton from it as its a flat heal, and AoE won't affect it as its a flat heal.
No. Me saying "No" is the equivalent of you simply saying "these changes are bad" which is exactly what you just did.
No, I explained that mage itemization isn't as good as it could/should be. I then proposed an example. I didn't explain WHY its bad, because I didn't expect someone to nit pick it so they can feel all smug and right. You know why, and any others do, mage itemization isn't all that great... at all.
So you admit it it now?
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There was no need to explain it. You just acted dumb.
Being butthurt or "offended" does not absolve you of criticism.
This isn't tumblr.
What? I said there is no need to not like my post because I didn't do something like you wanted it. I felt no need towards explaining further then I did because... well you and most people reading the post know what I'm talking about. I feel you were just baised and didn't like the post because I was pro WoTA and mage itemization buffs and you were con WotA and mage itemization buffs. I WANT critisism, like I said in my post. I want constructive critisism, not "No". It really feels like you walked into this discussion KNOWING you were gonna downvote and not even read my post. I bet you dowvoted it before you even read it.
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Eh... What you said wasn't critisism at all. "No" is not critisism, nor a full sentence, nor have any real meaning. Is it no, mages didn't need this, or is it no WoTA should be removed. Or is it no Riot should be buffing mage items. Or is it no I don't like hamburgers and this sentence is totally unrelated to the post?
You are missing the point.
An argument without substance does not warrant a reply with substance.
It is that simple. No amount of whining that i called you out on it changes this. Accept the criticism and move on. Quit trying to "save face" and just accept you messed up.
My argument had susbtance. You coulda said: "Mages really don't need buffs", or "I disagree, I think Spellvamp is unhealthy and SHOULD be removed". These are complete and actual replies. Also, calling someone buthurt and a whiner does not make you right or look correct. I would accept the critisism IF IT WAS CRITISISM! I would accept it if it wasn't a bs reply with no meaning.
I bet though that you were bias when you looked at this post. I bet you didn't even read the post before downvoting or disagreeing. "No" Is not critisism and is just lazy. This last reply to me was an actually constructive reply, except for your insults and assumptions, unlike your first post. If you had posted this first, I would try to have a formal and helpful conversation, yet "No" means nothing, does nothing, and is nothing like your opinion right now.
