Getting back into League

EvilRabbitt·Jan 10, 2016·1 votes·1,000 views

Been several months. I currently am enjoying only Fiora (I have yet to branch out, just trying to get familiar). I did try Poppy thinking she might be just as fun, but she wasn't. I'm trying to pick a few champions as I ease myself out of Aram/Bot (making sure CS and mechanics are at least sub-par), need help picking.

Fiora- has a good engage, fair damage no matter how you build her (best passive ever), a teambased ultimate (though I wish it burned that aoe heal as damage if enemy champions were on it...), a mini steroid, and an ability that when timed right gives you a hefty advantage. I also am not sure of my favorite build, though I did enjoy the game I went Hydra+Steraks+Trinity...

Are there any champions like her? If it helps a little more, I play Smite now too and have a lot of fun on Sol and Artemis. :)

Sorry if this topic is overdone, its been a while XD.

22 Comments

AlljoyJan 10, 20162 votes

You could try Kindred.

EvilRabbittJan 10, 20162 votes

I bought her and wish I could refund to Illaoi. I want to try her as well. Kindred played weird in the bot games, at first I had not damage- then I got to I think my third mark and it was...odd. It didn't feel like I did a bunch of damage, but I was shooting them pretty hard. I know its bots, but how does she translate into games? And where do I take her? Her kit seems....open, directionless. With Fi, I know that she wants to go into a 1v1 or a 1v2 even and just outplay them. With Kindred its...a hop, a zone of control, a slow/burst, and a denial of death. Is she made for picks? I know Ahri is pick- the orb/charm+fires make it pretty obvious.

AlljoyJan 10, 20163 votes

What aspects about Fiora do you like the most?

EvilRabbittJan 10, 20162 votes

I put it on the others post but I like being able to fight on any terms, knowing that I can take someone down or at the least let em know who owns the lane :D thats fun, and I enjoy being able to choose how to build. ADC is kinda meh (minus Caitlyn, played her full ad once. best thing ever).

kaltenashesJan 10, 20163 votes

Have you tried Irelia Irelia ? i think she's free week now

her Innate gives tenacity (resistance to cc) depending on how many enemies are close to you (the more enemies the more resistance),
Q is a dash if you kill an unity it resets,
W passive regenerates health active regenerates more health + true damage,
E is slow or if the enemy has more % health than you it'll stun the enemy,
R is 4 flying blades that you shoot

she's a top lane fighter with lots of builds, (i played her a lot before pre-season, i didnt play her in this patch yet)

some people go 2 damage (a must buy core item) item 3078 (they nerf bork so i dont if people still build this) item 3153 and then build more tanky item 3143 item 3053 item 3742 item 3065

others players build stuff like item 3124 item 3071 item 3091

for most used masteries,runes, skills to max first (what i do is max e first when enemy is melee, max q first when enemy is ranged ) http://champion.gg/champion/Irelia/Top

EvilRabbittJan 11, 20161 votes

ADC- what if I don't build them like adcs? For instance full ad caitlyn, or my new interest I wanna try is tank Vayne?

Irelia- Is this a good build? item 1323 item 3078 item 3053 item 3065 item 3812 item 3083

kaltenashesJan 11, 20161 votes

Caitlyn she's full AD, its common to get some Attack Speed ( item 3085 or item 3046 ) to increase her Damage Per Second and she can trigger her passive more often

Vayne i never played with/against a tank vayne, could work since her W depends on target's maximun health

Irelia all those items are great on her and in a lot of matches it can work well (i never built item 3083 , but i dont think i'd would be a bad idea), builds are more situational instead of always build these items and you're Garen -teed to win. depends a lot on the enemies and which of them is getting fed and will deal a lot of damage to you

item 3812 (i might be wrong) this item is built when you're facing an enemy who can kill you really fast, like Leblanc Rengar

AlljoyJan 10, 20162 votes

I concur with the other post here, sounds like you're looking for a duelist/bruiser, and Irelia might fit the bill.

EvilRabbittJan 11, 20161 votes

It feels like it. I enjoy engage/disengage choice, I enjoy knowing who I can smack down if they get out of position, and I enjoy knowing that if properly fed (and after I figure out how to transition lane advantage to map. thats my Fiora problem...) I can carry teamfights.

kaltenashesJan 11, 20161 votes

how to transition lane advantage to map

not an expert, but i think it would be like what a mid laner assassin/mobile mage ( Akali Annie Lux Viktor TwistedFate Zed ) does in laning phase, you look for opportunities to gank others lane (with/without your jungler, using tp while a fight is starting somewhere is a good way) and push the minion wave into the enemy turret

if you're winning lane and you destroyed the turret, you can push the wave and go mid and help there, (if you go mid and you can't kill the enemy, sometimes its not good idea to keep pressuring there if the enemy is still alive and he can clear the wave really fast Viktor 's E Anivia 's R)

1 800 MID LANEJan 10, 20161 votes

You could maybe check out Renekton? I've never honestly played either, but Renek seems like he's got a similar playstyle outside of the ultimate. Maybe Gangplank? He's got a global AoE ultimate and tons of damage from his barrels. Vladimir is a pretty interesting champion, also with a pretty versatile build path. Fiddlesticks might be of interest, but he's pretty boring to play and honestly does virtually nothing without his ultimate. Dr. Mundo is pretty busted right now, if you want something relatively easy just to get back in the swing of things.

EvilRabbittJan 10, 20161 votes

Renekton- what is his kit? I check the shop but its very nondescript. I know he has a spinny move, a twirl move, and some kinda bop stun. How does he work?

Gangplank- does he scale well with all items? Like, if ahead I still buy damage and behind is tank?

Vladimir- never played him, but I own him. How do I play him in lane? Grab a revolver and just spam his aoe?

Fidd/Mundo- I remember playing them and not enjoying them too much. Did they get changed or something happen?

1 800 MID LANEJan 11, 20161 votes

The reason I mentioned Renekton is that he seems to be about as mobile as Fiora with a fairly well-rounded kit for a bruiser.

Gangplank, from what I've seen, builds damage almost exclusively, but his barrels tend to keep you pretty safe considering his biggest downfall of being (technically) melee.

Vlad is someone I can talk about a little. He's a mid/late-game monster. His goal in lane is to simply out-sustain his opponent with his Q. His E costs a decent amount of health early, so try to hold off on using it until a little later in laning phase. I usually don't use it until I get to around level 4 or 5 because by then my Q heals it back and then some. Also, don't even bother getting your W until at least level 3. It costs 20% of your current health to use and is only really good defensively unless you're way ahead. As for a build, you want a Will of the Ancients first and a Spirit Visage second. These two items were MADE for Vladimir. After that, you can stack health or AP and you'll deal damage and get tanky either way. More damage stacking AP, more tanky stacking health, but they both play off of each other anyway, so you'll go both ways stacking either. One is just more damage, the other is more tank. His ult is simply amazing to have late because it amplifies damage taken by whoever is effected by it by 20% for something like 6 seconds. Beautiful.

Fidd hasn't changed any. He's always been kinda useless without his ult and he's not versatile at all. I just brought him up because of his ult specifically.

Mundo hasn't changed, either, but the masteries have. The new masteries made him pretty busted. You almost can't kill him when he has his ult, so he's fantastic for...About anything. The problem is that he is the single most banned champion in the game at 74%. Add that to his play rate and he's involved somehow in 78% of games with a ridiculous win rate at 54%. That's the 2nd highest win rate only topped by one of his highest counters - Trundle. Dr. Mundo statistically one of, if not the easiest champion to play, also. With his playerbase in ranked having an average of 12 games on him. This is why I referred you to him. He's easy to play so you can focus more on game mechanics, he's got a high win rate to keep you satisfied with the game, and he's relatively cheap to get. I think he costs 1350 IP.

Champs to stay away from would be:

Azir. It's pretty agreed upon that he's the single hardest champion in the game and while he's very fun to play (IMO), being on that level of difficulty might not be a good idea for people starting out. I'm going to repeat this over and over here, but learn the game before you learn this guy.

ADCs in general. While they are some of the easiest champions in a mechanical aspect, the way they have to play mid and late game makes them probably the hardest ROLE in the game. They are everyone's target and because of this, you have to have a good idea of where to be in fights. They're a necessity in any team, but perhaps not a good idea until you get to observe a little of what they do and how they do it. You should learn it, definitely, but maybe not immediately.

Lee Sin. Like Azir, he's pretty rough to play starting out. He's got a higher win rate and he's the most played jungler in the game right now, if I remember, but again, he's mechanically challenging, so you might want to focus on an easier champion to learn the jungle before you try to learn Lee Sin.

Riven. I've never personally played her, so my insight is limited, but from what I've heard, she's another champ where you should learn the game before this champion. She might be one of the hardest top laners to learn simply because of the way she plays, but when you do learn it, get ready to carry the fuck out of games.

You seem to have your main role picked out in top lane, but you should try to get somewhat of a grasp on other roles just to learn a bit of how the game works. Also, if you find one particular champ a nightmare to play against, play that champ for a while and learn it's weaknesses.

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." -Sun Tzu

EvilRabbittJan 11, 20161 votes

I tried a game on Riven in bots, the animation cancel I heard about seemed to be hindered by attack speed (no matter how fast I kill animations, I still only got one auto a second. still fantastic damage for the good ol e/q/auto/w/auto/q/hydra/q/e-out combo). Is Riven strong toplane? She seems to have the same feeling as Fiora- you know the whole time you can burst or retreat if things don't go too crazy. Thanks for all the help :D

1 800 MID LANEJan 11, 20161 votes

Riven is very strong when you master the animation cancel. She's also somewhat viable mid, but that's pretty situational. You wouldn't want to do that unless you're playing draft where you can see what your opponents are picking. She's mostly a counter to assassins with LeBlanc being an exception because of her slow/root. Anything with decent range will destroy her mid.

VesarixxJan 10, 20161 votes

Fiora is a bit unique, so finding another champion like her would depend on what qualities you want to focus on, There's Kalista since her passive is sort of similar to Fioras Q.

EvilRabbittJan 10, 20161 votes

I like strong engages, I enjoy taking an opponent's ability and killing them from using it senselessly. Mostly I know that I like being able to remain confident (Yay Fiora) that if I get engaged on improperly or if my opponent steps out of place, I can go in and beat em up. Kill is irrelevant (since I still have no idea how to take a lane advantage and win with it), just winning lane for now is my goal. :D*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

VesarixxJan 10, 20161 votes

Ahri is pretty good for punishing out of position enemies, though there are a lot of subtle elements to her kit so learning to use her to full effectiveness can take a while. There is also Jax, it's important to know spacing with him but he also snowballs extremely hard and can punish people with his E.

EvilRabbittJan 10, 20161 votes

Ahri seems fun on Aram, same feeling in game or totally different style? Its mostly poke on orb, aim for through wave poke if able, then do charm/fire pokes (or charm/orb+fire/auto).

VesarixxJan 10, 20161 votes

There's a lot to explain, her kit has a ton of small interactions and tricks that give you tons of options in game, one thing to keep in mind is that your W is a cheap way to get passive stacks, 150 mana and you're fully stacked, then you can Q the incoming wave for a nice heal in lane, W will also proc thunderlords all on its own so if you're vs a melee opponent you can often use it for some easy harass. In some matchups you will want to save E for self peel, like vs a Zed post 6 you want to fire it behind you so you can hit him as soon as he comes out of the ult to prevent a lot of damage and reposition yourself for the punish. W will proc furor as well as the full rylais effect, making it great for kiting, it also gets full effect from spellvamp, each orb has its own target radius so you need to be pretty close for them all to hit the same target, there is a delay after activating them before they will acquire a target so W into R will make your combo faster. The E duration scales with ability rank so leveling it up second vs slippery targets might be worth considering, you can also cancel the startup frames of E with flash which also extends the effective range of the ability, of use E into R to hide the E particles. Q can also be cancelled into flash in 2 different ways(both are possible with Charm as well), the first is similar to charm, where it will extend the range, since the orb will be fired from your flash destination, the second is defensive and involves flashing a few milliseconds later, if you flash in the opposite direction to where you fired your Q it will cancel the cast animation so you don't get the normal slight rooting effect, it will also put you further away from the ball, giving you more movement speed since the ball grants you movement speed for as long as it is traveling and will be in the air longer on the return, you can also hide the particles of the Q with ult. The Q projectile is actually slightly longer than the range indicator and hitting an enemy at max range will cause the true damage portion to apply immediately(Q deals true damage on the way back). W and R are both great at popping spellshields while losing minimal damage, after the first R to engage you want to use the others to kite and reposition to land both hits of your Q, with enough CDR you can get 2 rotations of your spells out before the timer for the additional ult charges runs out. Ahri is right in the middle of the Roaming/Farming continuum, as she has both decent lane pressure and fantastic ganks. With CDR Ahri has pretty good consistent damage aside from her burst.

A couple things to watch out for, Ahri is very squishy so getting hit with CC will usually be fatal, she has mana sustain issues early on into the game and doesn't last hit under tower as well as some other champions, her early damage is on the low side for assassin champions so you need to poke them down quite a bit before going in for the kill. She struggles against health stacking so you want to focus squishy targets whenever possible. She is very snowball reliant if you want to go assassin so if you aren't getting those early kills you either need to go for a fast build or switch to building as a mage, focusing on kiting.

EvilRabbittJan 11, 20161 votes

I have been having a good time on Ahri with bot/aram. Build order question- I'm of the belief that more damage means less need for mana and cdr (as killing someone then and there is better than harassing them indefinitely), so I tend to hit up Sorc Shoes or Needless in Aram. In the standard mode, is it double dorans or is dorans into Y? Also is Liandry's a good item because of her E-Q insta-cast combo? Thanks for all the tips btw. I'm trying to find people I can do any lane in, but I like champions that can handle top- Ahri seems capable because of her engage/disengage potential. :D She definitely will be my top practice until I'm ready to hit mid.[slayer-jinx-catface]

VesarixxJan 11, 20161 votes

The build is gonna change drastically in some situations, pretty much any AP item can work on Ahri, one of her strengths is versatility, if you go top you could consider items like item 3027 item 3116 item 3001 item 3151 item 3040 depending on the matchup, just depends mostly on your lane opponent, though if you're going assassin then any item 1058 items are going to be great pickups, you will probably want item 3165 as a first or second item so you mana sustain a little better, it helps a lot if you're getting pushed in and need to wave clear. For item 1056 it's standard to get a second one, though I sometimes start with one and pick up 2 more on my first back to get an early power spike I can use to snowball, otherwise I either start building into item 3165 , item 3285 , item 3001 or item 3157 depending on the matchup. If you get behind just build for max CDR like you were playing a normal mage, since your all in might not kill a target if you aren't fed.