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Twitch needs some minor buffs

Uriel··2 votes·1,260 views

Twitch

Hey all,

So lately I've been playing twitch a lot, and even though the meta for him is pretty suitable for him to become valiable again... his lacks still have not been fixed. Admittedly, Twitch's late-game power is no joke, it's really strong, but... his early and midgame is horrible. Both played as Jungle or ADC, he underperforms massively before the 20 minute mark. This is because of two reasons; he is bad with trading/duelling, and he is extremely mana-hungry. The damage received from his passive is no threat unless you maximize your E, but your E is horribly expensive to cast. Your W is not reliable to work with because the slow is minor and doesn't stop dash, flash or blinks. It's only nice for those 2 extra stacks late-game to execute with your E. So, here are some suggestions that I would love to throw in to make Twitch more reliable in his duelling potential, to come in par with other ADC's:

Passive + stats:

  • Increase his mana, to ~300 - ~1000 (based on level)
  • Increase Deadly Venom damage to 2/4/6/8/10 per stack of Deadly Venom.

Venom Cask (W):

  • decrease the slow to 20/25/30/35/40
  • let the area also "grounding" in addition to its effects

Contaminate (E):

  • reduce its mana cost to 50/55/60/65/70
  • increase the BASE damage of Contaminate, but reduce the AD scaling from 35% to 30%

the goal; Increase Twitch's early-game relevance without empowering his late-game power, giving him slightly more kill-securing methods and trading value.

15 Comments

Xidphel4 votes

That'sbwhat you get when you spend all your time playing Pokemon.

Anyone? Twitch? Pokemon?

I'll see myself out.

Infernape2 votes

That's the tradeoff. He has a weak early and strong late. If he has both, he has no weaknesses.

Uriel2 votes

He's an ADC. All ADC's have a power curve that is still strong in the early and mid. Twitch is the only one that lacks behind, while all other ADC's have just as much influence on the lategame as twitch has. His late game isn't neccesarily stronger than any other ADC, so why should he have a horrible early?

The kind of "tradeoff" power is that of a stacking champion, like Veigar or Nasus. Twitch doesn't stack, he has no reason to have a building-up power curve, or an excuse to have a horrible early.

OmegaNITRO1 votes

Twitch isn't even close to being the only ADC with a bad early game/laning phase.

Kaisa Vayne Sivir come to mind.

Kazekiba2 votes

Do not reduce his E's mana costs, you'd risk breaking him and making him permaban above low gold. On the contrary, reducing his E's ad scaling is a massive damage drop and is the opposite of what an assassin needs, while doing nothing for his in-lane damage because he's buying Aspeed first (or a whopping 25 AD item 3144 , at best.)

There's no reason why a toxic liquid would have a grounding effect, nor does Twitch struggle against mobile champions. He has 800 range AoE autos. And Stealth.

I wouldn't mind buffing his passive damage though, it's ... very lackluster. 36 true damage isn't even enough to negate natural Regen on any champion with a single Crystalline Bracer or Spectre's Cowl item 3801 item 3211 Overall, balance wise Twitch is fine as he is you just need to play a little differently since he doesn't have the hard CC ADCs like Cait, Ashe and Jhin do or a reliable escape like Tristana/Kai'sa has.

JoeAnarchy1 votes

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Do not reduce his E's mana costs, you'd risk breaking him and making him permaban above low gold. On the contrary, reducing his E's ad scaling is a massive damage drop and is the opposite of what an assassin needs, while doing nothing for his in-lane damage because he's buying Aspeed first (or a whopping 25 AD item 3144 , at best.)

There's no reason why a toxic liquid would have a grounding effect, nor does Twitch struggle against mobile champions. He has 800 range AoE autos. And Stealth.

I wouldn't mind buffing his passive damage though, it's ... very lackluster. 36 true damage isn't even enough to negate natural Regen on any champion with a single Crystalline Bracer or Spectre's Cowl item 3801 item 3211 Overall, balance wise Twitch is fine as he is you just need to play a little differently since he doesn't have the hard CC ADCs like Cait, Ashe and Jhin do or a reliable escape like Tristana/Kai'sa has.

doesnt have reliable escape? he turns invisible.. like, even if he's close to you, so long as he isnt attacking, you cant do anything to him.. that's pretty reliable..

Uriel2 votes

his Q is definetly not reliable for disengaging. It's more useable as a jungler's tool to ambush people for a gank, allowing him to position unseen (hence it's name.) But to use it as an escape... it has a charge timer, and the speed you get is not higher than what other ADC's like Jinx or Miss Fortune get, so they can still see and catch up with you in enough time to kill you.

Kazekiba1 votes

Twitch has a detection range thats .... not as wide as Evelynn's but, his stealth Camoflauge is actually pretty weak, plus it has a short arm time.

Its absolutely awful as an escape tool, because it's supposed to be used for engages.

Uriel2 votes

Do not reduce his E's mana costs, you'd risk breaking him and making him permaban above low gold

His level 1 Contaminate has low unreliable damage, but it gets +10 mana cost when you up it. It starts doing reliable trade damage the moment you get level 3, but by then you need 70 mana per cast, on level 4 at its earliest. That's 20% of his mana! Not any ADC has this high of a mana cost growth AT ALL. A compareable ability is Rend from Kallista... that only costs a FLAT 30 mana!

There's no reason why a toxic liquid would have a grounding effect, nor does Twitch struggle against mobile champions.

Ehm... Cassiopeia does exactly that too? But the point is; the slow is too weak to rely on for trying to secure kills. Twitch is old, like, very old. By that time, champions like Vayne, Tristana, Kai'Sa, Caitlyn, Lucian and Ezreal, that come with a big bulk of movement action, so the reduced movement speed alone was pretty powerfull back then. And even Miss Fortune's E slows harder than Twitch's W, while ALSO applying ability-hitting effects (for instances like Scorch or Comet), which Venom Cask doesn't. Plus, Venom Cask is also expensive in mana cost, 80 mana from, the equivalent of Miss Fortune's E.

He has 800 range AoE autos. And Stealth.

That's only his ult, which is 850 range. (But which is locked behind a 2-minute cooldown, and we were talking about his EARLY game, about his trading potential. You don't use an ult for trading. His passive range is pretty avarage, sitting on 550. His stealth is something that doesn't fit an ADC AT ALL, and people made countless remarks about it already why an adc has it. On top of that, the stealth is not reliable as neither a disengage or chase tool, because it has a charge timer and rather low movement speed bonus. Its sole functionality as ADC is that AS boost you get after it, or otherwise positioning yourself for a gank (which is more of a Jungler's role.)

Kazekiba1 votes

... Who maxes E? what

D357R0Y3R2 votes

i'm all for buffing twitch but W grounding?

lmfao

Uriel1 votes

yeah sure, maybe not so much for grounding, but the problem is that Twitch's slow was introduced when ADC's didn't have much mobility yet (The first to ever come was Caitlyn in 2011, twitch comes from 2009.) But the slow is rather disappointing. It's slower than MF's E, does no ability damage, and costs just as much.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

if you think twitch's W slow doesn't matter, you're really playing twitch wrong

Inkling Commando2 votes

i agree. Twitch's Stealth should be replaced with something else. or the very least make him true invisible. cause nothing is more annoying than going invisible trying to escape and the enemy adc/jg is tail grabbing your ass, knowing where you are and just waiting for their main power to go off cooldown so they can kill you.

Dracocrash1 votes

Nope. Twitch doesn't need buffs. He's very delicate when it comes to balance as it is.

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