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went warrior sion jungle, rushed sunfire cape

Morgy Morgy··3 votes·784 views

lol i cleared really quickly why the hell would you buy cinderhulk instead of sunfire cape? item 1401 gives 400 health and a bonus 15% health, deals 15 damage plus 0.60 per level. does 100% bonus damage to monsters. so, at lvl 18, you do 25.8 damage a second. against monsters, 51.6 (i think, dont judge my math skills). item 3068 gives 500 health and 50 armor, deals 25 damage plus 1 per level. does 50% bonus damage to monsters and minions. at lvl 18, you do 43 damage a second, almost double the damage. against monsters, 64.5 (again, not 100% sure). so uh, what's the point in buying cinderhulk? sunfire cape gives more stats and the burn passive is much better in every situation. can we like, idk, do something about this item? i actually did quite a lot of damage to everything thanks to warrior, and sunfire cape replaced cinderhulk. i dont even need the 15% bonus health anyways. I stack my w health bonus and I have strength of the ages. remember that weird tank jungler item in season 4 that i think was similar to thornmail? it wasnt that good. then the ancient golem thing was better, but still, the other choices were better.

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trash sion2 votes

Because you're playing Sion wrong. He gets health through killing minions kinda like Nasus Q, Cinderhulk 15% bonus will increase that even more, and with SotA you get like 1k free HP. Sion doesn't do too well with AD. Go Titanic Hydra for damage.

DJ Katarina1 votes

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Because you're playing Sion wrong. He gets health through killing minions kinda like Nasus Q, Cinderhulk 15% bonus will increase that even more, and with SotA you get like 1k free HP. Sion doesn't do too well with AD. Go Titanic Hydra for damage.

Full AD Sion would like a word with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2bPo-5bbgk&feature=youtu.be&t=14m12s

trash sion1 votes

I did a video on Full AD Sion...

https://youtu.be/IJaPF6CYjnY

But the reason the meta is... meta... is because it works. Full AD Sion makes his W pretty useless since the shield will almost always pop, and it's hard to get into range to hit your abilities with ease without getting blown up.

DJ Katarina1 votes

W always pops early game anyways lol. Mine usually doesnt stop popping till mid\late.

trash sion1 votes

Reconsidering with your ELO as well as the poster's in mind, a bit of AD investment isn't bad on Sion. You need the damage to try to carry if your teammates are bad. I can say personally that in Gold and (probably) up, people can better capitalize on Sion's disruption so it makes more sense to go tanky.

DJ Katarina1 votes

Gold last season, also the video I linked was supposedly promos into master.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

a little bit of ad on sion goes a long way. since he has high scalings. its like buying bc on darius. and defensive stats including health. have diminishing returns. however. offensive stats. don't. thats why sunfire and ibg and grasp are op right now. because they are offensive and defensive at the same time

Jungle Lux God1 votes

You'd buy Cinderhulk over Sunfire Cape if you can't afford to delay your jungle item.

Only warrior junglers with strong early game ganking presence and fast clear speeds can actually afford to delay their warrior enchantment for another item, and that's exclusively because they already have a really strong early game that they don't need a jungle item to help them clear. Sion isn't one of those early game junglers.

The only real advantage of Cinderhulk right now is that you can actually afford to rush it in the jungle due to its cost efficiency relative to Sunfire Cape (due to the reduced combine cost of combining the jungle item with Bami's Cinder instead of Chain Vest) and its impact on helping you clear. Why wait for Sunfire Cape when you can clear fast now with Cinderhulk? But then you also need to rush your jungle item, so your Sunfire Cape will then get delayed by another 5 minutes at minimum while you farm up for it.

In regards to Sion specifically I haven't tried building Warrior on him specifically, but I can't imagine it being a consistent option. If you get ahead it probably would be pretty good, but then I feel like Cinderhulk into Titanic Hydra would be a better option over Warrior into full tank because of Sion's innate health scaling off his W and the scaling off of Cinderhulk, although since I haven't tried it I shouldn't say it isn't good at all.

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