The radius of Katarina's spin when she picks up a dagger is far too wide

Amarajah·11/19/2017, 12:56:08 AM·31 votes·3,022 views

Not even lol wikia has information on the radius (EDIT: It is actually 340 units radius wise, doublechecked) but when I see it ingame it is far too wide and hard to avoid for a lot of champs unless they were already walking away from where it was gonna be placed way ahead of time or have extreme precognition/prediction with the animation tells. Katarina in general seriously needs taking look at right now though she's just busted in general with too much combo potential and raw damage for abilities that are basically targeted and have low delay coming out.

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Śhunpo11/19/2017, 1:03:17 AM11 votes

Do you think ADCs are anymore fair than Kat? Cause they can press one button to target you and then blast you with 1.4k dmg autos at 2-3 items.

What about Maokai? He currently has the highest winrate in the top lane. Is that ok?

Or the support role, which is dominated by utility supports?

Stop joking yourself, Katarina is the least of our issues right now.


In regards to the dagger spin it's quite fair since she needs her opponent to remain on top of them. It's not as generous as you say. Katarina's abilities also have a lot of delay, like a 0.75 cast time Shunpo and a 0.75 drop time for both of her daggers. If anything she has the highest delay of all assassins bar Leblanc (who's hardly even an assassin now).

Plus, she's like 17th in terms of winrate in the mid lane, she's not amazing.

Modl Ryden l11/19/2017, 2:30:44 AM8 votes

I'm not sure if you know this but she needs to aim the dagger in a such a way that it will allow her to activate Sinister Steel on a champ when it's picked up.

The dagger will ALWAYS fall 350 units behind the last target it hit opposite from Katarina's position.

Amarajah11/19/2017, 1:20:10 AM4 votes

People maining Katarina right now in high elo have 70%+ winrates on her and a lot of high elo players are saying she's busted right now. The new runes work too well with her with eletrocute and sudden impact (considering she autos in her combos too sometimes, she even uses the lethality), and some players even get AD items on her like hexdrinker to no detriment. It doesn't matter if she has a delay on her dagger dropping when the radius is like half a lane wide no joke.

Sex With Annie11/19/2017, 8:24:26 AM3 votes

Take a peek at your match history. You lost to a katarina once in the last 24 hours. [sg-lulu]

Squidward Dab11/19/2017, 4:08:16 PM3 votes

If u think kat’s burst is instant have u ever faced ad assassins lol. Riot for some feels ap needs delays and yet zed and kha can just duskblade auto and take a good chunk of ur health

Blåbæret11/19/2017, 2:55:21 PM2 votes

Kat is broken no doubt. Can't be CCed either with perma-mobility.

JustMonika1311/19/2017, 6:18:46 PM2 votes

Mfw Orianna, one of Kat’s biggest counters, doesn’t start Command: Protect and instead starts Command: Attack because god forbid Orianna has to use her passive to farm and poke.

Elemental Lux11/19/2017, 4:42:54 AM2 votes

In case you didnt know her dagger range is determined by which direction she picks it up. It has a 1 second ish delay from when she throws it, so dont qq because you lost a match to such an uncommon champ

Amarajah11/19/2017, 1:25:10 AM2 votes

Ok I think it says the effect radius is like 340 units. That's absolutely ridiculous for a circular range aoe off that, and it seems that Kat can disjoint where the range is by jumping on the side of the dagger closest to you to extend the range. For comparison, her ult radius is 550 which makes it an entire lane wide basically.

Void Baboon RF11/19/2017, 7:50:05 AM2 votes

Don't bother Kat sits in the same category of champ as Yasuo which is the fuccboi pick category and these kids will defend to the ends of the earth their right to touch themselves while watching their 240p muh outplay montages

Anyways Kat is about as poorly designed as Yasuo is and recently there was some rioter on reddit crying about how he can't make Kat work in silver or something so don't expect nerfs. You're just going to have to abuse that poor design and pick a counterpick because like Yasuo, Kat's match ups are almost all 100% her playing her game or 100% you playing yours. There's little inbetween.

Tactrix11/19/2017, 10:58:25 PM1 votes

Assasssins in this game are broken here is why. They designed them in a way in which unlike any other champion they don't just deal damage, they're made for 1 shot combos and furthermore their poor design is made in a way in which they are intentionally made to ignore the defenses of the game. I mean let's take a look at some examples of this shall we?

Yasou's crit, yasou has such massive crit that even if you were to get the singular crit reducing item in the game it won't even make a dent in his 100%+ crit, so basically they designed him in a way to where he hits twice as hard EVERY SINGLE ATTACK after he pushes his crit past it's threshhold.

Vayne, another fine example of a champion that has true damage built into her AA, ironically everything in her combos revolves completely 100% around her AA, so think about that for a second you have a champ who deals literally ALL the damage she gets with 0 resistance because as we know armor doesn't stop true damage.

ekko, not to put too fine a point on it but ekko is what happens when you combine zil with fizz. His landing combo is instant, and lets say you do somehow manage to blast everything you have on him, so what? He'll just reset and your damage would do nothing.

Kat, yes you have to aim her knives, and yes it takes a little bit to master that particular skill but you have to remember that besides for her throwing a knife at you she has the ability to throw it directly up above her and when it lands the damage will be on your head, and lest we forget her abilities give her the option to land DIRECTLY on YOU!!!! DAGGER, MINIONS and ENEMIES, that's what that ability says she can land on. So even if you were inclined to say that her range is ok you have to bare in mind she is infinitely faster at getting to you than anyone else, and for that matter getting back.

Which brings me to my most favorite example of the single most broken assassin in the game bar none, leblanc. Now sure she takes a lot of skill to master, but look at her entire kit, she's super mobile, walls don't even slow her down, her damage is off the charts and if all of that wasn't enough she also makes clones. So LB is what happens when you make a ranged shaco.

Now, it might seem like I'm ragging on assassins "but you should learn to play against them better" right? Well see here's the thing, it's not about how well you play against them, its about that assassins in general have been getting more and more broken because of the direction that rito has taken this game. They've been getting super beefy from all the upgrades while everyone else just gets a slight improvement. So now people who wouldn't generally be 1 shotting you with some abilities do exactly that.

Arduno11/19/2017, 2:12:40 AM1 votes

I saw kata blade and stood between them Thought I could dodge them lol how wrong I was!..

Nyarlathοtep11/19/2017, 7:49:42 AM1 votes

Indeed, unfortunately riot will take its sweet time to change it.