Can we make ADC hypercarries have an actual weak laning phase

So....make Kog'Maw and Vayne have a weaker lane phase, makes sense. So, what are we looking at, making them have 100 health and no armor?

EDIT: OP, you know Doran's Shield changes were mostly to help melees into ranged matchups? And you want to revert it back to basically useless?

"Revert all changes to dorans shield"

Turns top lane into a shit show where ranged champions auto win against melees super hard again.

Perhaps a 50% passive efficiency for ranged check would be a better solution so that ADCs can't abuse the item so hard. Oh look, yet ANOTHER item that only ranged seem to do well with in regards to abusing... Oh well that's just league!

You have clearly never played into a .

Let me give you a summary, it sucks. Hyper carries are weak in lane. Hell, I see Braum's and Leona's 1v1 hyper carries until about level 8-9.

They do.

Supports carry them through it though.

They are weak laning phase. Strong laners, however, are weak. it also doesn't help that shield/heal supports are so meta.

They are weak in laning phase. Try to take a hypercarry to a solo lane lol

there lane phase is already weak enough...its supports like janna and lulu that make them good early

How about make doran's shield melee only?

Right now a huge portion of this is the lane bullies are bad. Draven, MF, Cait, and Lucian all got nerfed so we dont have the lane bullies to keep the Kog/Vayne/Trist in check.

Plus even if you are a lane bully its hard to kill a kog when the Lulu Solo kills you anyways.

ADC's (i mean mostly scaling late game) aren't strong in laning phase due to their kit. The reason they are strong now is a slightly different.

To get strong they have to survive laning phase without getting destoyed. The reason this is the case is because we have tanks on the Top and in the Jungle and shielding, protective Supports with the ADC on the bot lane. So on lane the ADC's survive mostly because there is no thread in their laning phase, because of the Supports AND because they are against ADC's who are weak in early game aswell. We have Ardent Censer (we don't have to talk about that).

If you comlain about the strenght of ADC's in ealry you don't get the concept. It's your fault you don't expand your lead and snowball to win the game. If you could win that easily with the strong ealy, mid and late game ADC's, why don't you just pick one in your ranked and do some rightclicking and climb?

You have to have in mind that it is not that easy to balance the game overall.

First off you can revert all changes to Doran's Shield

Play Kog against Draven and see what happens.

doran shield isn't the problem lmao

I like new doran shield, it helps vs aoe champs in lane

You can fuck off with that suggestion of reverting dorans that item actually helps me stay in lane when I have to fight an adc toplane or something like malz mid

Doesnt matter how weak their early game is if the support thresh or blitzcrank carries in lane.

Strong supports mean the early game of adc matters little

the problem is both would have a weak laning phase so it would be even more one sided towards bot lane after laning phase. plus bot lane would be all support until 10 minutes at least