Not to be a complainer, but i'm honestly getting sick and tired of the "supports" that all over the bottom lane this season. "Supports" like Zyra, or Annie, who build a Frost Queens, then goes full damage and instant kills me level 6. I don't really call that supporting, but hey, i'm not the one making the rules.
TehNACHO16 votesThen what do you call Supporting?
Remember, the Support role only exists because there's literally one too many players for the map to provide consistent goal to. If you can find a way to make up for this, for example setting up a kill lane against a consistently squishy lane, you're doing just what you're supposed to do.
Naysaying Zyra or Annie is like discrediting Blitzcrank and Morgana as a Support, or incredibly ingenious ideas like the Ashe-MF combo to destroy Zyra in lane. Supports should be able to do more than just heal and shield and ward.
Teémò1 votesKill supports and zone supports are fine in their own. However, the efficiency of a few are far from others and shouldn't be considered "better" than said champ playing mid top or jungle. Zyra can proc her spell thief very well as can brand both even abuse green father mastery because they don't even need to be close to you they just need to enter the grass well their pet/ passive is eating at you.
So what? they got some harass? They got all their spell thief procs without having to commit Where almost any other spell thief support Can't do that. 
is a great example as she's supposed to be a kill zone support if you lock her support. But in order to get her spell thief to give the max amount she needs to auto attack with her abilities and that puts her in range. 
relies on the enemy standing in her W to get those spell thief stacks off and that's not consistent either.
SchmidttyGames2 votesMorgana can bank all 3 charges of Spellthiefs/Frostfang with 1 W. It ticks every half second, and that's why Morgana is one of the easier supports to make money on. I don't even consider Lux a Support. She's the "I got auto-filled" special. Any Support Main would find greater utility from a Zyra and a Brand than Lux. Before you tell me that they are the same thing...
Zyra defends her carry simply on presence. You don't want to rush Zyra because "death trap", even if you're winning a trade. If you're getting the best of Lux, you push them to tower immediately. Brand will stun you to death in the right hands, and has the same presence.
Sir Binley1 votesWhat i'm stating is, is that everytime I get placed against these picks, they are the ones who swipe the kills from their adc, which isn't what's supposed to happen. Supports are designed to poke, lock adc's down, ward, shield, provide utility, and obviously, protect their carry, not take kills.
SchmidttyGames1 votesI am a Zyra main, and I'll admit that I have no control over my plants and sometimes I accidentally steal kills. But with Zyra, my first priority is still vision control, because vision control is something every Support should know. If you see the enemy coming from a "mile away", you protect your carry by default.
Auto-Filled Supports are bad news for every team composition. Unless both Supports are filled, there is an automatic disparity in one very important (yet seemingly under-rated) area. If, in a 30 minute game, their Support puts down 35 wards and destroys 5, and your Support puts down 11 wards and destroys none, there shouldn't be any question in your mind as to why the other team took every dragon and always seemed to know where you were and where you were going.
This is the part that gets lost, and why auto-filled Supports are hurting so many teams. Aside from their usual "auto-tilt", they simply can not fill the role because they either don't understand it, or don't want to. In turn, as a Support Main, this hurts me, because people just don't think that anyone ever wants to Support. So they expect me to crap on them too. :/
Sir Binley1 votesYeah, the auto fill system is ruining the game right now. It's forcing players to play a role they're not comfortable with. Like, I know HOW to play support, but when it comes to the game, I feel clueless and utterly useless. I sometimes don't even buy a sightstone, because it's not part of my muscle memory. Stuff like that, ya know.
SchmidttyGames1 votesI can fully relate to it. The actual reason I became a Support Main is because no one ever wanted to play it, so I figured I could become "more useful" in a role that few wanted to fill. I've found great joys and great despair in the role.
But Auto-Fill has taken it to a new place. Now the role itself is under attack by people who think that it's a problem simply because they have to play it once and awhile. These are the same people that will flame you for accidentally taking 1 kill in a lane that you're utterly dominating and offer no thanks for either saving their ass, providing them with an incredibly early warning to an oncoming gank, or even providing the team with so much more "in-flight" knowledge than they would otherwise gain.
Even other Support Mains that I know are starting to not want to play. It is a disturbing trend.
Beldair1 votesI have to agree...i've actually stopped playing Norms and have been playing Aram/Rotating Que with my bro and his friend.
The toxicity and complete rudeness from other players because of my Support Pick or plays has forced me to take a hiatus From Norms.
RavenMagus1 votesI don't understand why autofill is making you do this when the old champion select was no better.
How is them being rude at you for your support pick any better than those same players forcing you into support because you're last pick in an unassigned draft pick, and then still being rude at you for your support pick?
Beldair1 votesBecause even in blind pick, I would call Support.
And before, they weren't as rude as they are now.
RavenMagus1 votesI feel like you are just looking back through rose-tinted glasses. The new champion queue hasn't made people more toxic. They are toxic now, and they were toxic back then too.
Aptest3 votesnobody wants to protect your sorry ass.
some supports are designed to roam, others designed to kill shit, not babysit and enable. taking kills as zyra is just the inevitable conclusion of a damage-oriented character doing it's job.
it is you who do not understand the role of support. you think "I am adc, support is to enable me". No. Support is just about not farming. Otherwise, Zyra is about killing shit, not babysitting.
Snowman Arc2 votesNo. That's what a support champion is supposed to do. Support the team by having vision control (providing or denying), saving teammates, applying heals and shields and CC to keep them safe. That's what a support champion does. The support role is not that. Riot just named the 5th player a support because that's what Riot wanted. Nobody forces you to play a support champion if you are the 5th guy. If the gold distribution is better used on champion A instead of champion B, then champion A should attempt to be given the gold. If that champion A is a Brand who is at the support position and will deal more damage and provide more utility etc, then I'm all for the support Brand to take all kills.
IcyPepper1 votesRemember, the Support role only exists because there's literally one too many players for the map to provide consistent goal to.
I'm not 100% sure that's true.
In games where that is not the case, such as Overwatch, people choose supports to empower their team. Is that not the same here?
Captain Aishi5 votesthey're talking about the support position and you're talking about the support champions, they're different things though they sadly share the same name
support champions that empower their team and debuff enemies can be played in solo lanes (karma/lulu being prime examples) the support position is the poor (literally) person that has to provide assistance to help their lane partner get gold more safely
IcyPepper1 votesWould people even play champions completely team-reliant like Soraka if there were only four players per team? o.O
RavenMagus2 votesYes, they would.
They would be much rarer, and they would have to have vastly different power budgets - they would look more like solo lane Lulu or jungle Ivern rather than a classic Soraka. But they would still exist.
IcyPepper1 votes...
You know, I didn't think about this properly.
Of course if the game changed so radically, the champions would be different.
>tfw I'm using a different game to describe game balance >tfw I'm forgetting completely changing the dynamics of the game would mean changing the champions too
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MissingKayo9 votesDEATH IS THE BEST CC
Sir Binley3 votesYeah, stunned for 30 seconds. That's the real kicker.
MissingKayo1 votesAt least you can QSS a stun.
Sir Binley2 votesFuck that, i'm going cleanse.
50000000000000002 votesty Revive
Awesomedude88882 votesImplying that ADCs build a QSS first item.
Virgin Ray5 votesI'd rather be a 2nd mid laner than a useless support that relies on the adc to do the work.
Sir Binley2 votesI've had plenty of supports carry me in lane. Supports like Braum, Naut, Leo, Janna, etc, make the bot lane EXCITING. Not shit like Veigar, Annie, Zyra, Xerath who literally just fuck you all day.
Virgin Ray4 votesOk what I'm saying is what if your adc is a useless fuck wad who goes 0/15. Being those supports will literally mean you are a useless little %%%%. If you roam to help others your lane will get pushed in and you're screwed.
Sir Binley1 votesWhat elo are you? That makes no sense. The support lane is, if not, the biggest carry role in the game, especially with redemption being OP right now. If the adc is that bad, then you roam and carry mid lane. You ward, which is the most crucial thing in this game, besides objectives, like dragon, which need to be warded ANYWAYS. Without vision, you'd get caught over and over. Also, if the adc is going 0/15, it's partly the supports fault, unless they're running it down bot lane.
Virgin Ray3 votesYou don't rely on the support for vision, yea sure he/she wards the most but that doesn't mean you're warding responsibility is exonerated. And apparently no one in my elo pays attention to wards that much, me included. It isn't the supports fault for adc deaths if he/she overextends and dies, or gets hooked. If the adc isn't good at dodging those abilities than it's their responsibility to either get better at dodging or buy a 
or something. I'm not going to risk my life as a support just because the adc doesn't know how to dodge a hook. I'll only risk my life when it comes to the greater good for the team. If I have to jump in and ult as a 
so 
can ult all 5 of the enemy team and we can turn around the fight I will willingly do so. If a 
gets hooked by sitting still, there's no way I'm being blamed for his death.
Awesomedude88882 votesIf your ADC is 0/10 and has gotten flame horizoned (-100 CSd) at 15 mins then bot is donezo anyways and you should go snowball mid and/or top.
LunarMageRem3 votesOf course it is supporting. ^o^ Death is best cc. Dead things can't kill your adc, or anyone else on your team for that matter. :3 It is the ultimate protection. :D
khorney2 votesSo ..... I go malz supp but I get sights tone 🐵😀
Sir Binley2 votesYou can throw anything down there as long as it has a form of cc :^) I love playing against veigar support.
khorney2 votesI go malz because it counters everyone but zyra . Free banshee is op. But e for harass . Ult for peeling / killing . W for disengage don't under estimate cs block. And q for engage or disengage
Sir Binley1 votesThat's hype as fuck dude.
khorney1 votesOhh yah I've thought of it and made a detailed reason why
Best Kog NA2 votesI mean I've gone fucking Kog'maw support lol
Sir Binley3 votesSounds like fun man
Best Kog NA2 votesNot for the ADC
Sir Binley2 votesYeah, that 40% slow. Noice.
Best Kog NA2 votes52% slow on his e. His ult kinda grants vision. But I still think Koggy is as much of a support as Annie or Vel'Koz
Ruin Lance2 voteswhether you want to believe it or not enabler supports like janna and soraka are in a much better spot than mage supports right now. it's not like they are any fun to fight, either, especially when you are a melee champ.
DemonikSoul1 votesthats true. Items for support supports are very cheap and way easier and faster to buy then the mage support items. Making suppport supports get to their peak faster + the new support items offer some great tools to work with.mage supports on the other hand have no new/cheap items they can use making them much slower to itemize -> slower to get rolling
All Skillzz2 votesyou can play whatever support. i got auto-filled support and locked ezreal. build the watcher thing an then full ap carried by 1 shotting important people an being a threat so they dont focus my adc lol.
SGT Dingle Berry1 votesI always bitch slap "hyper carry supports" when I play a real support like Karma or Sona. Vision wins games man and those types don't buy vision, or shield/save their carries, they're constantly looking for the KS.
PermabannedGaren1 votesThose "AP hypercarry supports" actually scale more poorly than utility supports.
A late game Taric or Sona is more useful than a poor-man's version of an APC.
DemonikSoul1 votesthats only true if your team doesnt run while u stun enemies or shiled/heal allies. Or dont aa the enire fight couse they are running couse enemy caitlin managet to get q on them and can land her aa first. Very fun supporting these teams with taric/sona. You should try it some times :P
PermabannedGaren1 votesthats only true if your team doesnt run while u stun enemies or shiled/heal allies. Or dont aa the enire fight couse they are running couse enemy caitlin managet to get q on them and can land her aa first. Very fun supporting these teams with taric/sona. You should try it some times :P
To be blunt, I don't consider low elo at all when talking about balance. I mean, I know what you're saying and I do agree, which is why I main carry top laners and junglers, but in elos where your team actually does stuff Taric and Sona are immensely more useful late game.
I'd also argue that APC supports still don't scale as well because, by virtue of how the game is played, having more team fight and utility is just more useful than having an extra source of damage late game. Your mid laner, ADC, and maybe top and jungle should be able to provide enough damage.
DemonikSoul1 votesin a world where your team can actually make use of the taric and sona skills- yes
but in reality for about 98% of people....
Your mid laner, ADC, and maybe top and jungle should be able to provide enough damage.
should be able to provide enough damage.
should be able
.........
ya hope never dies... but your top laner/adc/mid/jungler shurelly do...like ALOT :P
Snowman Arc1 votesI mean, no one forces you to play a supportive champion in the bottom lane. That's just Riot's thinking. You can play whatever you want anywhere you want, as long as you are trying your hardest to win your game. If I play Garen with Teemo at bottom lane and win, we have no support and no ADC, but we still won. It's not wrong, it's not right, it is what it is. Just because Riot told you that you MUST have a top laner, a jungler, an AP mid laner and a AD-support bottom lane, doesn't mean you must have these.
