Change Vayne's E instead of damage changes

TheDarkStarNinja·Dec 12, 2016·1 votes·658 views

A lot of people think that Vayne should have a nerf to her w or her q, but I think she should have her e changed. She is the only marksman (that I can think of) with a non-ult targetable stun/knockback that allows her to peel for herself against assassins, tanks, and fighters who could punish her for being out of position. I would be fine if it was like a regular stun or a trap like Caitlyn/Jinx (which can't be immediately used to peel, but she can cancel channel abilities and dashes with it, which is why I think she seems op in the hands of an experienced player (or just a super fed one).

Some people might say that Draven's e is similar but it can be dodged, and it is also essential in his kit because he has no dashes in addition to having predictable movement because of his axes. Vayne has q and invis from ult, so I feel like her e is too strong in repelling assassins, fighters, and tanks that do get to her, especially now that the assassin rework has slowed down assassins' burst. Even if she doesn't stun them, the knockback is still a very good peel.

I'm definitely not a pro Vayne player or know her specific weaknesses besides being an autoattack-dependent marksman(and of course CC like lots and LOTS of other ADCs), but I think her CC ability should be some softer CC.

11 Comments

BzRazorDec 12, 20162 votes

Also the only marksman that doesn't have a long range poke ability and her only damage is from her short range damage.

Which means she needs to be up close to do damage and in range of anyone with hard CC or a Syndra , Annie or etc that can easily one shot her.

TheDarkStarNinjaDec 13, 20161 votes

True that she doesn't have poke abilies, but she has the late game hypercarry as a tradeoff. Also, ALL ADCs are screwed with long-range CC (maybe except Sivir because spell shield).

BzRazorDec 13, 20161 votes

One sivir/varus Q lategame can delete 2/3 of her HP without being in her range.

DestructoDaveDec 12, 20161 votes

She needs a nerf to her ability to be a "late-game hypercarry" after building 2 items and/or hitting lvl 6. Same with Twitch. When I hear "late-game hypercarry" I expect a champ that has to scale into late game to be relevant; not one that hits level 6 or builds 2 items and is all of a sudden a hypercarry.

If these champs are going to be late-game monsters, they need weaker early/mid games.

BIackfoxDec 12, 20161 votes

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She needs a nerf to her ability to be a "late-game hypercarry" after building 2 items and/or hitting lvl 6. Same with Twitch. When I hear "late-game hypercarry" I expect a champ that has to scale into late game to be relevant; not one that hits level 6 or builds 2 items and is all of a sudden a hypercarry.

If these champs are going to be late-game monsters, they need weaker early/mid games.

"2 items" Yeah ok kid

Dark NephthysDec 12, 20161 votes

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"2 items" Yeah ok kid

Vayne item 3031 item 3087 R + Q>Auto easily does about 70-80% of the enemy ADC's HP, and then 1 more auto kills them. Vayne is suppose to be the tank shredder that can easily and effortlessly kills tanks thanks to her W, yet she also can kill the enemy ADC quicker then most if not all other ADC with just those 2 items.

If Riot wants to make Vayne the end all late game ADC that can easily kill any ADC or Tank then fine, but she shouldn't be able to reach that status with just 2 items like 20-25 mins into the game.

And before you or anyone says it...Yes Twitch can almost do the same as Vayne however at least you can stun him in his ultimate and drastically kill his damage and he has no mobility (or really much damage outside his ult) and tanks can actually build against Twitch which people can't build against Vayne's max health % true damage outside of something like item 3143 item 3110 which don't really counter it but just help weaken/slow it down.

BIackfoxDec 12, 20161 votes

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R + Q>Auto easily does about 70-80% of the enemy ADC's HP, and then 1 more auto kills them. Vayne is suppose to be the tank shredder that can easily and effortlessly kills tanks thanks to her W, yet she also can kill the enemy ADC quicker then most if not all other ADC with just those 2 items.

If Riot wants to make Vayne the end all late game ADC that can easily kill any ADC or Tank then fine, but she shouldn't be able to reach that status with just 2 items like 20-25 mins into the game.

And before you or anyone says it...Yes can almost do the same as Vayne however at least you can stun him in his ultimate and drastically kill his damage and he has no mobility (or really much damage outside his ult) and tanks can actually build against Twitch which people can't build against Vayne's max health % true damage outside of something like which don't really counter it but just help weaken/slow it down.

Lol. I'm so glad people at riot doesn't listen to most people on here and their nonsense or all champs would be gutted. Give me a video of a 2 shot with 2 items.

Thought so

Mysticman89Dec 13, 20161 votes

Was potentially true with crits before her Q nerf if she had a level advantage. Not as much an issue now.

khorneyDec 12, 20161 votes

Draven does . TrIst does . Cait does .

TheDarkStarNinjaDec 13, 20161 votes

TARGETABLE (can't dodge), NON-ult (can use regularly). Also Cait's trap doesn't go into effect immediately and Draven's doesn't knock them straight back

khorneyDec 13, 20161 votes

i just proved u wrong and ur complaining shock